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| Defining Official TX Standards; The Legion needs our help | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 24 2006, 04:00 PM (1,217 Views) | |
| COS_Vader | Feb 24 2006, 04:00 PM Post #1 |
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I just wanted to share this email from our new LCO, Mark Fordham, who is spearheading this project to clearly define the costume standards in the Legion... To all Detachment Leaders, The Legion is undertaking a major project right now and your help is needed. One of the most pervasive complaints in and out of the Legion’s ranks is that the requirements for each costume are no where to be found. There are also complaints of inconsistencies in standards and approvals. To this end we are initiating a project to have a readily accessible section on the website clearly explaining both visually and with text exactly what is required on each costume. This is where your help is needed. As your ranks purport to have some of the finest costumes, most vast reference libraries, and deepest understanding of your respective costumes, we ask that your membership help us establish these requirements. Specifically, we want to list what is MANDATORY (including options), what is RECOMMENDED, and what is OPTIONAL. The text needs to be very clear and thought out. Here is a sample of what the text might contain: TIE PILOT An Imperial TIE Pilot must have the following: - Black textureless calf high laceless boots with a relatively conservative heel and no extraneous straps/buckles, or ornamental stitching. OR - Standard Imperial issue* boots - Black cloth one-piece long sleeve coveralls. - Black textureless gauntlet gloves with no extraneous straps/buckles, or ornamental stitching. - Standard Imperial Issue* belt - Black semi-gloss chest armor (front and back) - Black chest box... - Black Imperial Pilot helmet...bla, bla, bla - etc, - etc, Approved Options The additional of "ace" helmet markings. An Imperial TIE Pilot should have the following: (These are recommended, but not required) - A wrist comlink An Imperial TIE Pilot may have the following: (These are optional. They are accepted, but not required) - An Imperial Issue* E-11 blaster w/ Imperial Issue* holster. The following costume modifications are encouraged: - removal of the Velcro for name tag found on most flight suits. - painting any and all zippers black - addition of a voice amp for intelligible communication. - replacement of standard Don Post... bla, bla, bla * Please refer to “Imperial Issue” specifications for this item. This is JUST AN EXAMPLE! Don't take the blue text I included too literally. The red text however should be followed and be standard from one costume to the next. As you can see, I referenced an Imperial Issue specification area. To avoid redundancy, certain things could (and I think should) be listed just once in a general costume area. Things like hats, belts, blasters, etc, that are identically found in many different costumes can be shown once and referenced where applicable. If the wording is well thought out, requests for clarifications will be minimal. For instance: - Black boots Are lace-up boots okay? - Black laceless boots How high do they have to be? Black laceless calf high boots Can they be suede? - Black textureless calf high laceless boots Can I use "femtrooper" or high heeled style boots? - Black textureless calf high laceless boots with a relatively conservative heel. …(you see my point) If it isn't specified, then it isn't a requirement. I didn't specify "leather", so they could be leather, synthetic (i.e. vinyl), or even rubber. Each costume will be accompanied by photo reference, including a standardized off-center front and off-center back full body shot, and with close up detail shots as needed. A sample of what these photos need to look like will be forthcoming. Please post this to your troops or assign a committee to forward to us the requested information as soon as possible, but do not feel rushed to the point of submitting an incomplete or insufficient description. This needs to be done for each costume class/variation in your group. We, like you, are excited to have these costume parameters determined and a consistent standard established. If you have ANY questions along the way, please don’t hesitate to ask. We look forward to your submission(s) and recommendations. Thanks in advance for your help! Mark Fordham LCO NOTE: please do not do any EU costumes at this time. That is another project currently underway As you can see, this is going to be an ambitious undertaking, but we've done a LOT of the groundwork already - we just need to agree upon the new standards as a group So Costume Leads - roll up your sleeves and we'll get our members organized and get those standards submitted. Kev (TX-1422) Christley 501st Spec Ops Det Lead |
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| troopertx2427 | Feb 24 2006, 05:26 PM Post #2 |
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so where do we begin? does each costume group decide in the group how to define this? and are we as a costume group the final say on this list as we submit it? or does this go to another group for approval and clarification? im glad to see this project going forward! Im excited that we are finally to this point. it should be fun. some of us are EU in this detachment however, but maybe we can still start the ball rolling with the accumulation of references and such. thoughts? |
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| COS_Vader | Feb 24 2006, 05:45 PM Post #3 |
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My suggestion is that all of the individual Det Costume Leads put together a team (of costume owners or folks working the costumes) to define the standards, which will be presented to the Det leadership prior to being upchanneled to the Legion as our final product. My thoughts are to include hi-resolution pictures of the costume with the parts well defined (think Technical Specs). This would be like the West End drawings we have in the sections, but with parts labelled. I'll post an example later tonight. |
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| COS_Vader | Feb 24 2006, 08:16 PM Post #4 |
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Here's a test example I've been working on (but I'll let the leads adapt it to their own needs... Stealth Trooper/Blackhole Trooper 501st Specs At the very least, a 501st Imperial Stealth Trooper consists of the following REQUIRED items: - A full set of “professional quality” black stormtrooper armor. Custom paint schemes/deviations from official LFL/licensee sources are NOT permitted or encouraged by the 501st Legion (see Customization Section) - Black non-fabric Chelsea-style boots (texture-less calf-high laceless boots with conservative heel and no metal straps, buckles, or ornamental stitching). - Black undersuit (Under Armor, divesuit, etc) - Black neckseal - Black textureless jersey-style gloves with no visible logos, tags, extraneous straps, buckles or overly ornamental stitching. - Black socks - One the following blaster types (unless prohibited by either local law or venue organizers): - A standard Imperial-issue E-11 blaster w/ Imperial-issue black leather holster OR - A standard Imperial-issue BFG (MG-42, etc.) Approved Options - Entirely optional (accepted, but not required) - An Imperial-issue leather or vinyl Rank Pauldron - A black comlink The following non-visible costume modifications are permitted: - Black snap suspension system - Static burst/voice amp for communication - Gel insoles - Non-visible personal hydration system - Non-visible cooling system Customization – Hereby known as “custom” -Ornamental customization (beyond the above described standards) is NOT condoned by the 501st and a “Custom” should not be worn at “official” 501st troops (unless previously authorized by their local GML). -The TX Detachment permits “Custom” members within our internal forums with the express understanding that they can't be granted a 501st TX-ID without LMO approval. |
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| ShadowScout | Feb 25 2006, 02:03 AM Post #5 |
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Kev, My issue with this is...how do I define the Storm Commando? There are two versions...the all black biker scout and then the different version that is basically like mine. Should I just do the black biker scout, since that is the easiest and what the majority of the commandos in the 501st have? |
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| troopertx2427 | Feb 25 2006, 03:47 AM Post #6 |
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cool Kev we should put all this together as sort of a Spec Ops manual of sorts for new members when we get it all ironed out. how does that sound? |
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| COS_Vader | Feb 25 2006, 04:17 AM Post #7 |
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Bry - Since there are indeed two versions of the Storm Commando, there's nothing at all wrong with defining both versions seperately, i.e. V1 and V2. Both are technically correct, but I'd probably knickname the harder of the two the "elite" version. Keep in mind there are differing versions of a lot of 501st costume categories... I have an ESB Vader (and there's an ANH, ROTJ, ROTS version). I know Fetts are the same. So no worries.  Erik - I think a manual would be awesome - let's lead the way by example for the Legion and put out something that blows their socks off! |
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| troopertx2427 | Feb 26 2006, 04:52 AM Post #8 |
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ill start working on a cover and we can go from there.. i saw that you had an idea for one from another manual that you had seen? do you have an image of that so i can see where you were coming from also? I was thinking along the lines of military field manuals and such.. i can combine the two and see how it goes. |
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| COS_Vader | Feb 27 2006, 03:12 PM Post #9 |
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That's basically what the Franz Joseph Star Fleet Technical manual was, a version of the Army training manual that was heavy in facts and detailed pics/schematics. I wouldn't hold our reporting to do this, as it's a heavy undertaking, but we can work it and release it later in the year. So if you're a costume lead in the Det, work the specs as detailed above (I will need a high resolution pic to submit as well of front and back of the costume). Once submitted to me, the TX Det command staff will review the specs to ensure 501st costume compliance, then upchannel the final approved spec to the Legion. |
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| COS_Vader | Feb 28 2006, 03:37 PM Post #10 |
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Mark Fordham has issued a clarification of the intent of the standards (just in case you were worried)... "There have been several common questions asked in the past few days by various detachments, so I am sending them to all of you to help you with your detachment's assignment. Q: Is the list as submitted by the detachments going to be final? The final resulting standards will hopefully be definitive. But the submissions made by the detachments will be reviewed and possibly altered or modified here and there. The Council will review them, and run them by the GMLs to make sure there aren’t any issues not covered from their standpoint. That is why I have referred to the detachment submissions as "recommendations". Q: When these standards are implemented, what happens to the members who’s costumes don’t meet them? We are trying to set a bar to improve and standardize costuming in the Legion. We are NOT trying to exclude people or take on an elitist policy. For those who find their costume does not meet the minimum standard, ample time will be given to bring it into compliance. What is ample? My son recently received a notice that certain elements of his costume were not adequate, and that he had two weeks to make them adequate. To me, that is NOT ample time. I am thinking six months. I would even entertain an appeal for more time, but it would be based on what progress had been made so far. “No progress” would get “no extension”. Q: Can some of the required elements be non-specific? For example, certain costumes seem to have variations in colors and shades. How do we determine which would be correct? Since these elements will be accompanied by visual reference, variations in colors and shading can be addressed. You can show examples and state it should be “similar to this [photo]”. As far as how specific to be in general, if it isn't listed or covered, we can't require it. If it must be long sleeved, it should be stated. If it must be cloth or fabric, it should be stated. If it can be zip-up, button-up, or Velcro, those options should be stated. Q: Some costume elements are nearly impossible to find, such as cannon AT-AT driver white moon boots. What do we do about requiring these items? That's why we are asking you. What have you already been doing? You've made this costume - most of us haven't. If it's something no longer available, how close can you get? What are the essential elements of that item that need to still be present? Thank you for taking this assignment seriously. Your input will be invaluable to the Legion. Mark LCO" Personally, none of this sounds unreasonable. Write the specs to allow a little lee-way - i.e. don't demand CA Boots as a sole supplier. Instead use the style of boot (chelsea) as a guide. And as you've seen in my ideas, "customs" are permitted in the Det but not in the Legion. You don't even have to be a 501st member to belong to the Det - just be interested in doing the costume (hence why we have a 501st-only section). I'll never stifle creativity, but I can't bend the rules as long as we fall under the Legion's wings. Kev DL |
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| Joe | Feb 28 2006, 09:20 PM Post #11 |
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Kev, sorry I just got to this, I've been on pass in Germany... But I do have a few questions/concerns on this. 1; Like the Storm Commando, the Swamptrooper has two variations, basically a painted TB and then the one from Jedi Outcast. I have seen the green TB in person and know how to write the list for that but I haven't seen any of the armor from the game. 2; With some of the costumes being from games and no one having previously built them, all we can do is make recomendations until someone does the fabrication and we can go hands on... Now for the questions. 1; Is there anyone that you know of that has fabricated a Swamptrooper based off the one in Jedi Outcast? 2; My recomendation for the Swamptrooper is comoflauge as is shown in Jedi Outcast, but there are a ton of patterns even limiting the colors, should we limit the number of acceptible patterns? Tiger stripe, Army Digital, Woodland... these are just a few examples that can be painted in just a green scheme. I'm sure my questions have been answered above but I'm beat from pass and need a vacation to recover from vacation. It's about time this happened and now hopefully we can get some logical changes made. |
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| COS_Vader | Mar 9 2006, 03:04 PM Post #12 |
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We need to start progressing on this task from the LCO. Deadline is end of March otherwise your TX costume specs will be determined by the LMO - someone who may or may not own the costume. It's not that hard, gang. Takes less than 1/2 an hour for a draft. Let's get some specs posted as soon as you can. Joe - I'll check the reference pics again. I'd say Woodland camo, but I'm certain it's an invented variant. The ideal would be to match the reference pattern as best as possible. |
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| ShadowScout | Mar 11 2006, 04:12 AM Post #13 |
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My appologies. I have been working on getting the ACD up to speed on the costume specs. I will work on mine and get it done this weekend. |
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| ShadowScout | Mar 11 2006, 04:21 AM Post #14 |
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Rough Draft Storm Commando Costume Specs Version 1 Literally a black Biker Scout. Take all the components for a regular TB and make them black. Version 2: “Elite” Version Biker Scout bucket, Black (either ABS or spray painted Rubies) Biker Scout chest and back assembly (black ABS) Biker Scout shoulder bells (Black ABS) Vader Shins Black flightsuit or black coverall. Black gauntlet style gloves Black cumberbund with pouches Two holsters for your belt. (Black Stormtrooper style holster) Military style black belt or the biker scout belt (in black). Black balaclava Black Neckseal. (This can be the ribber TK style, or just black cloth.) Black military jungle boots More to follow when I am not so tired. 
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| COS_Vader | Mar 12 2006, 04:52 PM Post #15 |
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Thanks Bry! Don't take it as a slam - I just need to motivate folks to get the standards at least roughed out so we can prepare to send them to the Legion. Nothing ticks me off more than someone who doesn't know jack about the costume dictating what is or isn't right. This initiative should eliminate that. I'll start working the costumes that don't have leads yet. And who knows, maybe we'll start up a custom TX squad for our Det (not sanctioned by the 501st, but at least acknowledged by the Det) in the process. |
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