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| Topic Started: Apr 2 2006, 07:45 AM (461 Views) | |
| Nocturne | Apr 2 2006, 07:45 AM Post #1 |
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Since I first came across the Storm Commando in a West End Games product for the SW rpg I got to thinking how cool they were. Now I'm in a position to costume, I intend on making one. I have a black flight suit, and a TK neck seal on order. I plan to make (or have made) a flak vest to the same pattern as my Fett flak vest (with the slight modification that I'll make the neck at the back lower) At the moment it looks like KS are my best option for black Biker armour. To keep costs down I hope to buy the rough cut kit and trim it / assemble it myself. (Any one have experience in the KS rough cut stuff? is it hard work or fairly simple?) I have a bead on a pair of Vader Shins from Ebay (if one of you guys outbids me on the pair in the UK I'll be peeved LOL ) From what I've read the armour should be completely without decals, so thats one less thing to worry about. Boots I always do last (I haven't even bothered with Fett boots yet tbh) For the Storm Commando boots shouldn't be too tough, a good pair of hiking boots, with PVC boot tops to hide the laces should work fine (the vader shins will hide the upper part of the boot tops) It's not too dissimilar from the Biker Scout boot in that respect (using the boot tops I mean). That really only leaves thigh and forearm armour, and assorted greeblies: Looking at THIS pic I can't see any of the indications that the extra armour is standard TK armour, it's too smooth. He seems to wear no hand armour to speak of, just a pair of gloves (not biker scout style gloves either) with a small armour plate over the back of the hand. Something like THIS only full fingered. The Groin armour looks much narrower than storm trooper armour He wears what look like armoured spats similar to Jango, these would hide boot laces and do away with the need for boot tops There's a carbine in the right hand holster, and a pistol in the left. The pistol is definately not a Biker Scout blaster, it's too big. This picture shows the blaster & holster slight;y better and confirms that it's not a scout blaster. It would seem that, from looking at the outside lower left leg of the of the Commando that he wears a boot knife. (Possibliy a Vibro Blade?) For people who haven't seen the full page on the Storm commando in the WEG supplement, it can be found HERE. It even details what is kept in which pouch. So in the left pouch we have rations, med kit, power cells and a spare comlink (I guess for us that would transpose to snacks, energy drink, etc...) (Anyone seen a black Star Wars comlink? Anyone fancy making them? Would seem odd to have black armour and carry a white commlink) In the right pouch we have explosives. So that could easilly replicated by carrying a block of plasticine. (Or more likely more snack and drinks?) --- I can't take credit for all of the observations above - some are what I've gleaned from you guys already (I think mainly COS_Vader) in another thread. Also I have found a pic of the Storm Commando taken from SWG. HERE |
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| COS_Vader | Apr 3 2006, 02:09 PM Post #2 |
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As far as the black comlink goes, I had to paint my kit to be white (it came black).
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| Firensteel49 | Apr 4 2006, 02:07 AM Post #3 |
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I am right there with you on the way you are seeing the trooper. I am also working on this project, and posted earlier. I am going to see what using the stormtrooper parts does for the appearance of the storm commando. It may be more like the armor of the special forces troopers in the X-Wing comics. I have actually been debating whether or not the west end image depicts full armor on the thigh or just fronts like the shins. The forearms may also be made by clamshelling two sets of stormtrooper forearm bottom halves together. Without the standards in place yet, there will be a good bit of experimentation. |
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| Nocturne | Apr 4 2006, 11:57 AM Post #4 |
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AH, I didn't think of clamshelling two lower TK forearms. It's hard to tell from WEG pic whether the thigh armour is front and back, or just front, there's a pic from a comic of one (minus bucket) that I think shows it as being back and front (sadlyI can't remember where I saw the pic. - It might be here, I'l have another search later on) |
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| COS_Vader | Apr 4 2006, 02:26 PM Post #5 |
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Well the thing is, WE have the opportunity to define the standards. See the thread in the announcements section. I have asked all costume leads to compile the standards and have yet to get any back. If I don't get one from them, I'll do it myself so we have all the ones for our Det - but I'd rather someone who does the costume to refine the standards.
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| Joe | Apr 4 2006, 03:41 PM Post #6 |
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Kev, I think all the standards were posted in that thread... At least that is where I posted mine... |
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| Firensteel49 | Apr 4 2006, 05:35 PM Post #7 |
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Okay, about those standards... I think that most of the commando enthusiasts will agree on the general appearance of the armor (ie what parts are definitely scout and definitely not) but what are we using as the definitive source of reference? Also, are we attempting to be absolutely identical like the stormtroopers, or is there room for some variation, being from the EU and all? For example, the use of the vader shin is extremely convenient, but not 100% accurate to the WEG image. Scratch built shins may be much better, but not everyone has the time, $$$, or setup to build. |
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| COS_Vader | Apr 4 2006, 06:24 PM Post #8 |
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We agreed to set standards for ALL the documented versions - similar to Vader (ANH/ESB/ROTJ/ROTS) and the Fetts. There's a lot of wiggle room and it's not our intent to ban anyone - just to tighten the standards to something we can all live with.
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| Firensteel49 | Apr 4 2006, 09:26 PM Post #9 |
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Well if that's the case, then I think what we are seeing in the WEG image, as far as the basic elements, would be a good standard for the upgraded commando. It is the most thorough depiction that I have seen. |
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| Joe | Apr 4 2006, 09:33 PM Post #10 |
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I think that like all the other costumes that went through many revisions we will need to hammer out all the details. As far as the shins are concerned I think Vader is a great jump off point and if you want to improve on that go right ahead but for those of us (THIS GUY{points at self}) that can not afford to custom sculpt the shins, vader shins are okay. Just my opinion and not necessarily a popular one
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| Firensteel49 | Apr 4 2006, 09:50 PM Post #11 |
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This guy (also pointing at self) is A-OK with vader shins, as I have a pair and WILL be using them as the shin armor. It was more for my own clarity that I asked and pointed out the accuracy issue. I really didn't want to be using them against standards, and was hoping for the possibility of wiggle room. As far as I am concerned, if we are currently writing costume standards, we should consider putting in the Vader shins as the standard. It is the most practical thing, and is very close to the pic. |
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| Nocturne | Apr 4 2006, 10:12 PM Post #12 |
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Close, but not 100% Not being a member of the 501st yet, I don't know how you guys grade your kit, but I would see Vader Shins as a kind of 'Entry Level' minimum requirement, with extra kudos going to guys to make more accurate customs. But why are we (you, us whatever - not totally sure if non 501st member count for this) getting stuck up on Vader Shins when there's more ambiguity over what can be used to match the forearms and thighs? |
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| Firensteel49 | Apr 5 2006, 03:23 AM Post #13 |
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I think the shins got singled out 'cause I used them as an example earlier. You're right in stating that there are potentially more important parts to be concerned with. I for one would like to hear suggestions from everyone that's interested in the commando concerning these pieces (thigh, forearms, groin etc.) As I said, I am starting with TK parts, for the sake of money and, yes, at some expense to accuracy. If it turns out lacking, then I will have to regroup from there, but for me it is this or nothing at the moment. Kudos cost so damn much. |
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| Nocturne | Apr 5 2006, 07:37 AM Post #14 |
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OK so ... forearms. THey're smooth, lacking the dimples of the TK forearms. Firensteel suggested using two forearm lowers per arm. I've not got any TK armour to look at, but this sounds like it might work. Have the veteren armourers out there got an opinion on this? Thighs. Front only or front and back? Again the fronts a smooth unlike TK armour. Could the backs of TK thigh armour work? |
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| Firensteel49 | Apr 5 2006, 02:50 PM Post #15 |
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Yeah that's my problem. I am speculating because I don't have the knowledge of TK armor. The forearm thing looks more do-able than the thigh, mainly because I THINK its pieces connect behind that front ridge. Maybe some of you Stealthtroopers on the board could help with the basics of TK armor. If that were the case, an alternative might be to use body filler to reshape the TK parts, like fill in and smooth the dimpled and raised areas. It would be thicker and deeper at those points, but it would be smooth. |
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