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| Black Biker Scout/Storm Commando version; Basic standards borrowed from BSN | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 7 2007, 05:00 AM (1,036 Views) | |
| DZ 1641 | Jun 7 2007, 05:00 AM Post #1 |
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BASE STANDARDS - Black Biker Scout helmet - Black textile long sleeve coveralls or flight suit. - Black textureless gauntlet style motorcycle gloves. No extra straps, buckles, or ornamental stitching. Ribbing over knuckles should be present. - Black textile cummerbund with two standard Imperial pouches. - Black textureless or near-textureless vinyl/leather calf-high laceless boots. Wrap over bridge of foot must be present. Soles of boot must be black with tread. - Black gloss/semi-gloss/weathered chest armor. - Black gloss/semi-gloss/weathered back plate with tank. Black tank topper and red square "button" must be present. No permanent flashing lights acceptable. - Black gloss/semi-gloss/weathered shoulder bells, bicep armor, and elbow armor. Bicep armor must have black t-bits. - Black gloss/semi-gloss/weathered belt. 2" webbing belt with buckle and 4 utility case combination attached to the front. Thermal detonator box using black hosing is attached at the rear of the belt. No permanent flashing lights, or colored marking other than black bits are acceptable. - Black gloss/semi-gloss/weathered knee armor. - Black gloss/semi-gloss/weathered boot holster fastened to boots with either Velcro or rivets. Strap attachment is NOT acceptable. - Boot holster and Holdout blaster. |
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| tavrikgannon | Jun 8 2007, 06:38 AM Post #2 |
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I have to disagree with the ankle holster and scout blaster pistol. I have seen very few, if any, references to that. You are also forgetting that these guys have a dual-holster rig off their hips - they do not have hip boxes like the Scouts do. In one holster they have some sort of blaster pistol, the other is for the blaster carbine ( aka E-11 ). These guys are also known to carry Sniper rifles or BFG's, like bazzokas and so forth. I'd like to point out that is you are going with shin armor, like Vader's shins, they should be minus the knee covers, as both the Scout and the Storm Commando wear the Scout-style knee armor. Other than the description with the belt, I tend to agree with everything else. There is a codpiece that is attached to the belt, from my research. And your comments about "No permanent flashing lights, or colored marking other than black bits are acceptable." isn't totally accurate - at least about the colored markings part. General Weir, who is a Storm Commando commander, had red colored additions to his armor. They appear to be bandoliers of sorts. Just food for thought.... |
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| Nocturne | Jun 8 2007, 11:09 AM Post #3 |
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Look at the left ankle of the Storm commando from teh pen and paper RPG, he DOES have an ankle 'holster', although it's not for a gun, it's for a knife. (so i guess it's really a sheath, not a holster). |
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| DZ 1641 | Jun 8 2007, 06:09 PM Post #4 |
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Thanks for your input. My understanding for 501st standards is that the black biker scout was accepted. This information posted here is an exact requirements for a biker scout as taken from BSN only I did was change the white to black. This version is not the Elite version that has all the changes/add-ons that you are talking about. As far as the flashing lights and colors. From what I've read it is discouraged by the 501st as to remain "movie" accurate. I do not dispute that General Weir as a commanding officer had other colors but his men were in all black and the things posted here are for regular soldiers not commanders. I also looked at one of the pictures of General Weir on his speeder bike and he is wearing a boot holster on his right boot and it looks like there is a scout pistol in it. 
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| Peregrinus | Oct 15 2007, 02:22 AM Post #5 |
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I disagree with almost all of those "standards". But I'm not in a position of authority over such things, so I just sit here and grumble and sculpt something better. *heh* --Jonah |
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| DZ 1641 | Oct 15 2007, 06:35 AM Post #6 |
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just curious...what part(s) do you disagree with? |
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| Peregrinus | Oct 16 2007, 01:56 AM Post #7 |
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Oh, only that the Commando is not a black Scout. They have the same shoulder bells, and that's it. The knees are modded and attached to the greaves. The helmet has had the blinders trimmed. The bodysuit is the basic unitard, not the racing suit. The rest of the armour is custom to this trooper. The cummerbund doesn't have the quilting the Scout cummerbund does, and the pouches are different. The belt is different, and the hang straps attach to holsters, not carry boxes. The gloves are integral to the bodysuit, with handplates, and aren't thick gauntlets like the Scout. Neither blaster is the Scout blaster. The boots are more like Stormtrooper jodhpur boots than Scout hiking boots... --Jonah |
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| Peregrinus | Oct 16 2007, 05:44 AM Post #8 |
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I would like to add to that, though. One reason I am quite happy about Hasbro's Shadow Scout is that I think it's a neat costume, and think it should be developed and recognized -- but not confused with the Commando. I go to great pains over on the Royal Guard board to make sure people understand the distinction between prequel-er and RotJ Guard costumes. This, to me, is no different. Similar costumes, where the distinctions are even more important. --Jonah |
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| COS_Vader | Oct 16 2007, 10:40 PM Post #9 |
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Well, the good thing is that we, the TX Det, have not submitted any official standards to the CRL yet. You, the members, are in a unique position right now to define the standard. So if you disagree, I highly urge you to examine the "spec" standard and debate what should be modified. The black bikerscout is simply a starting template. Make the standard and we'll get it approved. Please back up any/all changes with documented EU proof (i.e official LFL approved artwork, such as comics, West End games art, etc.). Kev |
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| Peregrinus | Oct 17 2007, 12:43 AM Post #10 |
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The only problem with that is that none of the art for the Commando is the same from instance to instance.
 Although, the unit icon from the Rebellion computer game is probably the closest I've seen to the original art.I personally very strongly suggest attempting to reproduce the original design that Mike Vilardi created for the role-playing game. That's what I'm doing. I readily admit to being a perfectionist, though, so it rankles when I see a "yeah, whatever" attitude about accuracy in costume R&D.  When something as clear and detailed as the original drawing is out there, I'm surprised when I see people trying to glean details from comic and card art that came after.I've got the custom armour pieces about half-sculpted, but my priority right now is my Crimson Empire Royal Guard armour. I've a pattern for the pouches and cummerbund, and plenty of black canvas and duckcloth. The process continues... --Jonah |
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| Goose | Oct 17 2007, 02:25 AM Post #11 |
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I've always liked this version of the Storm Commando the best...
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| Peregrinus | Oct 17 2007, 02:45 AM Post #12 |
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Why? What is it about this artist's interpretation that you like? --Jonah |
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| Goose | Oct 17 2007, 03:28 AM Post #13 |
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The basics of it. Basically an all black Scout Trooper. |
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| Peregrinus | Oct 17 2007, 04:20 AM Post #14 |
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Okay, so that would be a Shadow Scout, not a Storm Commando.
 *heh*--Jonah |
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| Goose | Oct 17 2007, 04:37 AM Post #15 |
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Depends on who you ask. Since the Shadow Scout is an action figure only, I really doubt the LMO will approve of it becoming an acceptable costume. |
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