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Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
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FIVE?!?!?! h4x. Well, I'll stick with Muarim, then.


Yeah. Some long-lasting pleasure for you and me, right? :)

For reals


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
Boohoo, a low tier is losing to top tiers when he first joins.  Thankfully, it's not about him outdoing Gods, but it's about him outdoing Muarim, which he shall be doing when our beast friend joins.

Muarim, however IS outdoing gods when he joins. Rolf isn't even matching them as they were several chapters ago.
Outdoing gods vs losing horribly to them...hmmm...

Wait. Rolf outdoing Muarim when he joins? Muarim is outdoing the likes of Oscar and Ike by a good margin, so unless Rolf is completely destroying everyone...Oh, that must have been a joke.


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
Muarim is good when he joins.  Good job.

lol, understatement/10


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
Oh ya? </SAS>

Rhys    3/6/9 Fire
Shinon  0/2/4 Thunder
Marcia  2/5/8 Fire
Mist    1/3/7 Water
Tauroneo 1/3/5 Thunder

Inbuilt Support Bonuses
Oscar: 10%
Boyd: 10%
Shinon: 5%

Really now, Rolf's supports are super fast and he has those sexy inbuilt bonuses when needed.  Even if he doesn't get A's, he can just score something like 5 C's to get bonuses often.  He has such a huge list that he's bound to get a few supports, as your team size is limited.  You can't have all of his support partners be full up if he's on the team.

5 Cs? Not a chance.
Rhys being used is unlikely to begin with, and then the chance of him being used at the same time as Mist is pretty much zero.
Shinon should never be used. Ever.
Marcia will only have open supports if you're not using Kieran and Tanith, and even then, she won't be in range often.
Mist isn't supporting Rolf unless you're only using 1 of Boyd, Jill, Titania, and Mordecai. So never.
Tauroneo can support Rolf if you're using him, but he's low tier, so that's not likely.


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
You forgot one of your own unit's supports?  For shame, Reikky-chan!  :(

Yeah, I typically don't include BS like a certain few others who shall go unnamed.
But if you want me to...
When you're using Lethe, Muarim is guaranteed to get her support. Ike will never support her ever, and Lethe-Ranulf gives probably the worst bonuses of any support in the game. 2, 5, and 7 avoid at C, B and A respectively, and that's it, since the rest is a 100% worthless hit boost. And he also joins super late. That leaves only 2 viable supports for Lethe, and each character can have at least two supporters.


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
He supports Zihark, but that support is slow as shit.  He won't have an A until Chapter 24.  Largo joins super late, even later than Tauroneo, and you say Tauroneo joins too late for Rolf?  Lol funnay.

The difference is that Muarim is godly until late in the game, so he doesn't care that his Largo support isn't until late. Rolf's shitty start means he needs all the help he can get as soon as possible, and Tauroneo doesn't give him that. Funnay indeed.

Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
At least Tauroneo can take hits and has Resolve.  Largo is just balls.

What you talkin bout? Largo is amazing. He has h4x offense.
His durability isn't the best, but beastly hp + Muarim support means he's still doing fine there. And anytime Tauroneo is used, Largo is even better since he's guaranteed another support as Tauroneo only has two.


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
Zihark's other supports are awfully slow, but both Ilyana and Brom are a bit better than Muarim at least, and support Zihark earlier.
Zihark benefits as much from B Muarim as from A Ilyana, and B Muarim comes quite a bit earlier than A Ilyana. In fact, A Ilyana doesn't come until A Muarim. So for Zihark, Muarim >> Ilyana.
He has room to support both Brom and Muarim, and A Muarim B Brom gives better bonuses than A Brom B Muarim. And Brom doesn't care about anything past B since he has beastly def, and A isn't getting him any more attack.


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Rhys's AS isn't as bad as people think, so why can't Rolf support him and be fine?

This data shows Rhys WITHOUT any support bonuses. It also doesn't take forged tomes or bands into account.

His supports hardly boost his durability at all. His affinity has no defensive bonuses, and his supporters' affnities have only 1 defensive bonus at the most. No one else really wants to support him, either. Well, Mia would love a Rhys support since her str sucks, but that gives him 0 durability.
For this, since Rolf is assumed, he would be getting +7 avoid max.

Anyway, so he doesn't get one-rounded. Unfortunately, enemies don't come one at a time.

Also, he's dealing with crappy durability the entire time:
20/1 with Light, B Rolf: 11 AS, 6 def, 29 hp, 41 avoid
Some ch 17 paladins have 15 spd. Nearly all the myrmidons

And the other healer is dominating him.

He doesn't deserve a spot on any team.


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
Oh, damn.  Muarim is mobile when transformed, and Rolf just laaaaaaags behind.  Lower movement doesn't stop Soren from being a God, does it?  Rolf gets his job done; he kills shit when he attacks.

Actually Soren isn't top tier...
If he was mounted, he would be top tier.

Anyway, this is about Rolf and Muarim. The point is that Muarim is way more useful than Rolf.


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
Let's be super generous to Rolfy-chan and have him as a level 1 Sniper when Muarim joins you.

Okay, sure. Just that Rolf's team has 1400 less bexp.


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
HP: 32.4 
STR: 15.6 
MAG: 5.8 
SKL: 18.5 
SPD: 17.5 
LUK: 11.6
DEF: 13.7
RES: 8.7 

Rolf with a Steel Bow has 25 Atk.  Rolf has 1 more AS than Muarim.  Rolf has more Evd.  Rolf can actually have supports.  Rolf has a massive Crit lead.  He's not so bad off after promotion, is he?

When he promotes in chapter 16, yeah, he's okay. It's just his team that's worse; he himself is fine. Still alot worse than Muarim, but yeah, he's okay.
1 more AS? More like 0.5 more/0.5 less AS
I wouldn't call a 1.6 avo lead more evd. Especially when it can also be a 0.4 loss.
Yes, he can have supports, but the only one who would support him is Rhys, who sux


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
Rolf will gain levels faster, so the level lead will dwindle. Muarim's stat leads will shrink a bit.

Well, actually, not rly. The level lead goes down, but as for stats...well, check out their growths:
Muarim: 70% str, 60% def, 45% res
Rolf: 40% str, 30% def, 25% res
Muarim has uber-beastly growths. Highest in the gaem, tied with Tibarn or something like that. Muarim has 11 more levels, Rolf has 19. Even by 20/20, which Muarim is reaching way earlier, Muarim's leads in str and def/res have actually gone up. And Muarim's str cap is 30 as compared to Rolf's 25, so he has loads of room to be RNG-blessed, whereas if Rolf gets blessed, he just cap rams.
Rolf's spd growth isn't much lower, though, so his spd is going up as compared to Muarim's, but Muarim has enough spd to double nearly everything anyway, so that's just serving to increase his avo, which Muarim counters like x2 with his Zihark support.
Also, hp:
Muarim: 145% hp
Rolf: 60% hp
ya rly

Rolf does win in mag, though.
Muarim: 5% mag
Rolf: 20% mag
D:


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
1. Ranulf is easily Muarim's superior, and thus gets that Demi Brand over him most of the time.  Ulki is possibly better as well due to his skill and mobility.  Mordecai could be better, too, due to being a super tank.

Ranulf actually isn't better. He's like the Tormod of the laguz. He has nice stats for his level, but his supports suck, and he comes underleveled as compared to your other laguz. He comes in at the same level as Muarim, except 10 chapters later. Muarim will be about level 15 by then.
Muarim, B Zihark, Demi Band
33.2 atk, 20.3 AS,, 53.7 hp, 18.6 def, 10.7 res, 68.7 avo
Ranulf, Demi Band
30.0 atk, 19.0 AS,, 46.0 hp, 20.0 def, 9.0 res, 51 avo
And he beasts Ranulf in str/def/res growths, and his support still has another level to grow, so he's not losing any ground until after his level caps

Ulki's class kinda sucks stat-wise, so he would have 3 less atk than Muarim even if they had the same str. His str transformation bonus is 1 less, and his beak has 2 less might. And he has problems doubling things. His spd does get a bit better, but not until really late. His defense is fine; it's his offense that sucks, so his skill isn't helping him not suck. Well, I guess it helps counter his bow weakness somewhat. For mobility, yeah, he can indeed fly, but his move is also 1 less.

Muarim beats Mordecai in offense against most things due to having spd, so he would be better with it.


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
2. Rolf has the option to use the very powerful Silver Bow for his Atk to skyrocket, while Muarim is locked to his claws forever.  Rolf can also use the Laguz Bow to rape Laguz, and the Killer Bow for monsterous Crit.  He also can attack from three spaces away with a Long Bow and four spaces away with the Double Bow later on.

Muarim has the option of just transforming normally, which boosts str significantly as well all his other stats by a bit, and it's also free.
Cool, 3 spaces away, but I don't see what good that is.


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3. Rolf will always have much better offense against anything that flies, which includes the hordes of Wyverns, groups of Ravens, and small flocks of Pegasi.

Muarim can't one-round wyverns, but he can counterattack, and they have alot of mobility, so he can draw them in and counterattack on enemy phase, and then kill one off on player phase. Rolf isn't helping kill them any more than Muarim is.


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
4. Maurim sucks without the Demi Brand because he spends half of the battle doing nothing and has lower movement.  Rolf has no such problem.

His move is still >= Rolf's, so that's not a problem.
Rolf is doing nothing half the time anyway, so that's also not a problem.
It's not that Rolf doesn't have the problems; it's that he always has them.

Also, note that when untransformed, Muarim's transform gauge goes up by 4 per turn instead of the 3 when transformed, and battles increase the the guage by 2 instead of the 1 when transformed.
He's still fighting way more than Rolf is, even without the Demi Band, and his stats are even beastlier. Also, when Muarim is "doing nothing", he can still shove nearly anyone due to massive wt. And if Rolf is using other bows, Muarim is getting Smite, since he's by far the best for that. No one else has nearly as much wt except Mordecai, and he already has it.


Vegeta
Apr 30 2007, 08:27 PM
5. Rolf stomps Maurim down in Crit.

Killing things in two hits >>>> needing a crit


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Most importantly, Rolf is significantly cuter.  :wub:

Psh, Muarim is much manlier.



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