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Reikken	May 18 2007, 02:46 AM
Posts: 1,838 Group: FEFFer Member #907 Joined: August 26, 2006	Inui May 17 2007, 04:18 PM 1. Prepromoted units in this game are great, and can fight well with little experience. 2. Bonus experience is rather plentiful. 3. All of these low tiers suck and shouldn't be used over any of the good units. 4. He doesn't take enough experience to be a detriment unless you want to 20/20 a large group of unpromoted units or something. He doesn't require much more experience(if more at all) than any of the early joining units, since he gets tons of EXP per kill when he joins. 1. Uh? What's your point? The only thing I can think of is that you're trying to say that you don't need to have lots of exp. If that's what you're saying, of course you don't need all your exp. You don't even need supports. Does that make the lack of it not a detriment? No. Having it is MUCH better. 2. So what? Any bexp burned on Rolf could have been going to someone else. 3. ...? I have no clue what your point is here. 4. No. Any negative is a detriment, no matter how small. And this one isn't even small at all. Unless I want to 20/20 a large group? What's this? Are you implying that the endgame levels are the only things that matter? I thought I could expect more from you. No, the entire game matters. Less exp now means lower levels and stats now, which is obviously a bad thing. Even later promotions, which is also obviously a bad thing. Doesn't require any more exp? They're on liek level 11, and he's on level 1. He's going to need craploads more exp. I don't see your logic. Tons of exp when he kills? Rolf joins with garbage offense. The only way he's killing anything ever is if you go out of your way to set up kills for him, which hinders your team and also deprives others of exp. Double lose. Even if he was somehow getting as many kills as anyone else, he still wouldn't be catching up any significant amount. At 10 levels under, he's gaining 15 more exp per kill. With 6 kills per chapter, that's less than a level per chapter, and the rate of catch-up decreases with every level he catches up. By during chapter 17 or so, he would still be 5 levels behind, and then ppl promote, and he's still like 16/0. He was suckingmassively all up until then, improving slightly relative to the team, and then he drops back down to ubermassive suck again for several more chapters before he promotes and bumps back up to regular massive suck. But anyway, he's not getting kills unless they're fed to him, so it's even much worse than that. Quote: Sothe's job isn't needed every chapter. And when it is, why waste a unit slot on a unit that can't do anything BUT steal and pick stuff? O rly? In this game, you can steal weapons, like the rare and useful staves that you can't buy, so even on non-chest chapters... 13- chests 14- FoW 15- desert items 16- chests 17- steal Physic 18- chests 19- ,,, 20- steal Physic 21- loads of chests plus loads of staves to steal 22- chests 23- steal Physics 24- uh, I don't remember what the Bishop reinforcements have, or even if they are Bishops at all since I haven't done a non-uber speed run on this map in a while 25- ,,, 26- steal Physic 27- chests 28- h4x* 29- h4x* * You can steal some stuff here, but it's not really worth it so late There's hardly any chapters that you don't want a thief for. And...this game isn't too restrictive on character slots, so you'll have room anyway. Quote: Volke at least CAN fight. He has solid combat statistics; he's just forced to use a very weak weapon type, however, a Stiletto makes him pretty combat-ready. Sothe, even with a Stiletto, can't do anything combat-wise. He's also much more fragile, even with Blossum giving him good statistics for a 20/0 unit. Volke can fight? His base atk going into ch 11 is 12, the same as Mia's 4 chapters ago, and Mia starts off really sucky. What does that say about Volke? He has zero combat skillz. At least Mia can use a stronger steel weapon for the slower enemies. Volke can't even do that. He does double 1s to the ch 11 cavalier things. No, Volke can't fight. And you can't buy Stilettos until ch 27, btw. I know Sothe can't fight. It doesn't matter. It's like saying, "Omg, Reyson can't attack." And lol, I like how you mention Volke as the one unit that can replace Sothe, but don't mention the other liek 30 characters that can replace Rolf. Quote: Volke also has a massive level lead over Sothe. Amazing. Worthless, but it's nice to look at. Quote: Sothe supporting units? Lol no. He's a waste of a slot, since if he goes near combat to support those units, he's getting raped. No, 3 spaces is quite a nice range. There would usually have to be enemy units within 3 spaces of his supporters and somehow still alive at the end of player phase and there not be any sort of blockage other than that one supporter for him to be reached. In those few instances, don't go up there, obviously. The majority of the time, he's good to go. It's loads better than Volke's, that's for sure. Quote: Since he can't fight, he can barely even gain experience, and with Blossum factoured in, he'll barely ever gain levels. He's a piece of glass on the battlefield that isn't needed when Volke does his job ten times better. Blossom? Why would I be using Blossom when exp is hard to come by? Please. 10 times better? what you talkin bout? Even if Volke is doing any better at all, which is doubtful, it doesn't even compare to how much worse Rolf is doing. He's being beaten by not one but dozens of characters and by huge margins rather than a tiny margin that may not even exist at all. Quote: Only 24 Atk is required to OHKO him, and only 20 Atk for a magic user. He only has 7 Atk with a Knife and 9 Atk with a Dagger, so he's not dealing damage to anything unless it's awful. 27 Evd is very unreliable. Only 24 atk is required to one-hit Reyson, too. Good thing few things have 24 atk for a long time. Except those bosses that don't move, but those are bosses that don't move, so no one cares. Oh wow. I see you noticed that Sothe can't fight. Amazing. Only...It doesn't make a bit of difference, guys. ~~The balls are inert.~~ Who cares? He doesn't need to fight to be useful. Rolf does, and without burning loads of bexp, he sucks almost as much at it. At least Sothe doubles, lol. Rolf takes loads of resources before he can even start sucking. Before that, he's just crap. Quote: Using bonus experience on him is obviously a waste, as you get nothing at all out of it except a second thief. Volke's already living and can actually fight sometimes, so Sothe is a waste of a slot. Using bonus experience on Rolf is obviously a waste, as you get nothing at all out of it except a ....thirtieth fighter that still sucks way more than everyone else. Rolf is a waste of a slot.... times...alot. Quote: You brought up supporting other units being good. Okay. Rolf supports: Shinon (1\|2\|4) Rhys (3\|6\|9) Marcia (2\|5\|8) Mist (1\|3\|7) Tauroneo (1\|3\|5) ... Rolf's support partners may have other better options, but Rolf has such a massive list that if he's being used he's definitely getting some supports in. There's not enough unit space for all of his partners to be full without him. Of course they all won't be full without him. Except the ones who aren't full are the ones that suck massively and so won't be used anyway. Shinon- sucks. Rhys- sucks. Marcia- has better supporters. Mist- has several better supporters. Tauroneo- he's kinda meh, but he's decent enough that he might be used every now and then. Anyway, he joins way late, so it's not helping much in the first place, and then all the support does is give him durability anyway, which he doesn't much need since he's a general. A general with res, too. Quote: Sothe supports: Astrid Tormod (EFED doesn't have the numbers for amount of chapters and I'm too lazy to go to GameFAQs when it doesnt matter.) Astrid wants Gatrie and Makalov WAY more. Tormod wants Reyson, Calill, and Muarim WAY more; he might even want Devdan more... Serenes Forest ftw Astrid want Makalov? yeah. Gatrie? wtf, no. First of all, Gatrie sucks due to being a fighter that has bad offense and mobility, so he's not even getting used, and then the bonuses are worse (3 avo -> 5 avo >> 0 def -> 1 def), and then 3 move gap ftl. Gatrie will be in range even less than Sothe will. So it's an inferior support all around. Screw that; Astrid wants Sothe. Tormod would love a Muarim support and his Thunder affinity, except he doesn't support Muarim. They just have a 10 crit inbuilt support. Reyson and Devdan both give inferior bonuses. Tormod's a mage, so he doesn't need moar atk. What he needs is avoid. And Devdan sucks anyway. Reyson doesn't have the move nor the freedom to stay with Tormod--only 5 move starting out the chapter as compared to Tormod's 8, and his job is refreshing ppls--and he's even more fragile than Sothe, so if durability is a concern, Reyson is definitely out. Calill has a nice avoid-boosting affinity, but she joins later, and she's only one unit, so it doesn't matter anyway. Tormod definitely wants Sothe. Rolf's supports are of near zero use. It's even negative when you consider that nearly anyone else you could have used actually has useful supports. Sothe's supports aren't h4x or anything, but they're much more helpful than Rolf's, and they're a substantial increase over Volke's no supports. Quote: After Rolf promotes, he becomes one your better attackers due to his high SKL, high SPD, and his high Crit. His STR may not be amazing, but it allows him to get kills with Steel Bows and such anyways. Not like everyone else is doing much better, anyways, since criticals and effective weapons are almost a requirement to get kills in one-round. After he promotes? Which is like ch 20-21. Oh wait, that was when he was somehow killing as much as other characters. So it's even later. No, he's still a sucky attacker. He'll be getting beaten by in atk by physical sword Mist after he promotes and getting raped by her in atk before then. He's awful. Rolf is shit without eating up your resources. Plain and simple. Sothe is not. He is of much use without ever using up anything. Rolf gets dominated utterly by dozens of other characters. Sothe almost doesn't even get beaten, and it's by only one other unit.
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