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| +Hollie | May 21 2007, 02:44 PM |
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Hmm? You really need to make sure?
Lol, Steel Sword. But before I address that, I need to just go over supports real quick. Mia, in her perfect universe, would be getting A Rhys B Ilyana. Rhys supports Titania, Rolf, Kieran and Ulki as well as Mia. Ulki isn’t great. Other laguz are much better. Kieran doesn’t want Rhys supporting him when he could have the same bonuses from Marcia, who is also better. Rolf has better supporters. The bonuses from Titania are really bad at A; 1 Atk, 1 Def and 15 Hit (10 Hit at B). Mia at A gives 3 Atk and 15 Hit. 2 Atk > 1 Def when Rhys has trashy durability but okay-ish offence. He nets 4 Atk, 1 Def and 25 Hit (which he could have better things instead, but he ain’t getting them) from Mia A Titania B rather than 3 Atk, 1 Def and 25 Hit from the other way around. He wants A Mia. Ilyana, apart from Mia, supports Zihark, Gatrie, Mordecai and Lucia. Gatrie wants A Ilyana because his other supports run away from him and Ilyana doesn’t mind the full Def. Zihark is after Muarim and Brom before Ilyana, even though Ilyana comes waay earlier than Muarim. Lucia I’m not even bothering to go into. Mordecai, then, is her only competition. Mordecai gives 1 more Def at B, and is quicker, so it looks like Ilyana. Largo isn’t complaining about the support with Mia. He’s supporting her, Tauro, Muarim or Devdan. The latter is out, which leaves the other three. Muarim is a better character than Tauro any day, but Muarim wants Zihark A, which leaves Largo open for a B from . . . Mia or Tauro. From Mia (B): 1 Atk, 10 Hit, 5 Evd. From Tauro (B): 1 Def, 5 Hit, 10 Evd. Tauro gives more defensive boosts, but Largo has a wtfh4x HP safety net, so defence isn’t absolutely necessary. Mia gives more Atk and some Evd still. Largo does also use axes, which are fairly inaccurate. The bonuses from Mia aren’t bad, help him a little defensively and make his offence rape a little more. Tauro just makes his defences a bit better. Both are the same speed, but Tauro might lag behind the rest of your party due to lower Mov. Also, Mia and Tauro have completely different jobs. If you need offence in one area, and defence in another, then Largo and Tauro are going to be split up . . . whereas Largo and Mia wouldn’t be. Largo takes A Mia. With that in mind, let’s move onto Tauro’s supports . . . namely, the support with Rolf not covered above. Rolf can have a combination of Mist, Marcia and Shinon before Tauro arrives. Shinon isn’t brilliant, but Mist and Marcia are both good and Marcia’a other options are not brilliant. She’ll be taking B Kieran, but A Rolf wouldn’t go amiss. Mist is probably taking A Jill, but B Rolf wouldn’t be so bad either. The support is pretty quick. And then, if Rolf doesn’t get one of those supports, there’s Shinon, who also gives 5% Crt when adjacent. Not much, but quite useful. But I’ll be nice and give Tauro B Rolf. 1 Def, 5 Hit and 10 Evd. So, now we return back to the matter of Mia’s endgame Atk. Note that the Paladin sample cited in the first post was from the very last chapter (I have used it in virtually every debate . . .), so we’ll obviously use 20/20 stats. Decimal points ignored, not rounded. Mia - 20/20 - Offence Killing Edge A Rhys, B Largo Atk: 20 Str + 9 Mt + 3 from Rhys + 1 from Largo = 33 Hit: 62 base + 75 from KE + 15 from Rhys + 10 from Largo = 162 Crt: 13 base + 30 from KE + 15 SM bonus = 58 AS: 30 (she has a 95% chance of capping. It’s gonna be 30) Why were you giving Mia a Steel Sword lategame? Fair comparison? Moar like bias. Why were you not giving Mia supports? Fair comparison? . . . Do I really need to finish that? Well, at any rate, Mia has wtfh4x hit. She’s not missing. Her Crt is good and should be around 50 for most units she faces. Her Atk is not brilliant, but she’ll be doing at least 26 damage in a round if we take that 20 Def I gave as an example, with a 50% chance of a critical. Assuming she criticals at least once, that means she one-rounds quite well, and even if she doesn’t, next phase the enemy’s probably going to target her anyway, so she can two-round instead. There are high Def units out there as well, but Mia can use Longswords, Armourslayers, Laguzslayers, or even the Runesword really late in the game. Tauro has access to this weaponry too, but he can’t kill with it as good (well, possible exception of Generals) due to not doubling as effectively.
Well, since I’m giving Mia a Killing Edge, I guess Tauro can have his favourite weapon as well. Tauroneo - 20/20 - Offence Silver Lance B Rolf Atk: 25 Str + 15 Mt = 40 Hit: 49 base + 75 from SL + 5 from Rolf = 129 Crt: 10 base AS: 14 Firstly: I don’t care what you say about Tauro’s Spd being more likely to hit 14 than 15 (sounds hypocritical, I know). Chances of having 14 or less Spd = 42. Chances of having 15 = 32. Not to mention that he’s only 2% more likely to hit 15. We may as well go by the averages. Tauro has 7 more Mt that Mia. That is his only win. He’ll be doubling hardly anything - against everything else, Mia wins hands down. She’s more likely to one round than Tauro is.
No, I don’t say. Paladins with 20 Def.
Actually, when you get the stats right and give them the weapons they’d be using endgame, Mia does 26 damage per round assuming she does not ciritical. Tauro does 20 damage per round, but his chance of criticalling would be something like 2. Mia is one-rounding more often. So, Mia can not critical, and still kill in two rounds, or she can critical and one round. Either way she has a higher damage output than Tauro.
You suppose? Dude, when you factor in Crt, Mia is miles ahead. She’s one rounding when Tauro is not, or doing more damage anyway.
Mia has the Runesword, at least lategame, because her Mag is actually pretty h4x for a melee unit. Granted Tauro has more range though.
Right. Spear has 3 less Mt than a Silver Lance, so Tauro now does 3 less damage, meaning that he kills the enemy in 3 rounds rather than 2. Mia still kills in one or two. Mia wins. He might do damage versus ranged enemies who attack him on their phase, but who cares? They’re few and far between. If he’s got a ranged weapon and Mia’s anywhere nearby, they’ll be attacking her instead, in exactly they same way that on your phase you have Soren attack the paladin with the silver blade instead of the short axe.
So, in conclusion, Mia beats out Tauro in offence thanks to actual speed, and it’s by a lot when you consider Crt and other things. Tauro vs Mia is more in his favour when you first get him, but Mia still doubles way more and has a lot more critical, plus an actual support. I’m being nice and not mentioning the whole, huge, massive, part of the game where you have Mia but not Tauro . . . yet.
Well, we’ll see.
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Mia - 20/20 - Defence Killing Edge A Rhys, B Largo HP: 41 Def: 15 Res: 12 CEvd: 20 (so close to 21 T_T) Evd: 80 base (!) + 5 from Largo = 85 Tauroneo - 20/20 - Defence Silver Lance B Rolf HP: 51 Def: 27 Res: 17 CEvd: 14 Evd: 42 base + 10 from Rolf = 52
And you’re saying that an avoid lead of 33 isn’t solid? Even when WTA’s in his favour or when Mia has WTD, the difference is still 23. When it comes to avoid, these are pretty big numbers, you know? She has 6 Cevd on him too, though that’s not substantial. Tauro does have huge defence leads. 10 HP, 12 Def, 5 Res . . . maybe you could, possibly, even say that he crushes Mia in defence. However, I’m not worried about that. Unless you can successfully prove that 95/85/75 avoid (depending on WT), 41 HP, 15 and 12 Res is not enough to keep Mia alive without worry, then as far as I’m concerned this debate is already over.
Insanely more durable? Huh, whatever. Mia still wins, I’m just going to wait until my next post to
First sentence is right. Second sentence is wrong. Third sentence is based off wrong calculations . . . I guess they’d give you the mark in a maths test. So, Sent, what’s your reply? |
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