Kamaitachi

May 25 2007, 01:46 AM

You dastard! How could you do something like that to me!!! We're totally not friends anymore. And you can completely forget about that thing about us lying in sexual congress once a month or so.

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Your mathematics are wonky. Rolf starting underlevelled will gain more experience points from, say, hitting a unit, than say your already level gajillion Ike will. At that point in the game, since you're basically using all your units in your roster anyways, you might as well get Rolf some experience, as opposed to wasting it on your already higher leveled units. Oh sure, they can use more experience, but that's what units like, say, bosses are for. Rolf will gain more experience. This does not mean that he's using significantly more than the rest. Why, on his joining chapter, he can do 0 damage to an armor and still gain some decent experience. Is that stealing experience? No. That's him getting some for himself, and still leaving plenty for units like, I dunno...armourslaying Ike to get their experience in as well. So really, it's still mathematical fact, just in a different way than you're gunning for Reikken, darling.

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Uh. No.

from my second post

 

Tons of exp when he kills? Rolf joins with garbage offense. The only way he's killing anything ever is if you go out of your way to set up kills for him, which hinders your team and also deprives others of exp. Double lose. Even if he was somehow getting as many kills as anyone else, he still wouldn't be catching up any significant amount. At 10 levels under, he's gaining 15 more exp per kill. With 6 kills per chapter, that's less than a level per chapter, and the rate of catch-up decreases with every level he catches up. By during chapter 17 or so, he would still be 5 levels behind, and then ppl promote, and he's still like 16/0. He was suckingmassively all up until then, improving slightly relative to the team, and then he drops back down to ubermassive suck again for several more chapters before he promotes and bumps back up to regular massive suck.
But anyway, he's not getting kills unless they're fed to him, so it's even much worse than that.

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Like who? On Rolf's joing chapter, how many people do you have already? Fairly enough, says I, and there are enough enemies for them to run around getting experience from too. Unless, of course, you're deadset on Lethe and Mordecai being all chompy chompy bitey bitey on all the enemies. The only time you really need Lethe, is to get her out to that far house that the retarded sea bandits might possibly get to first. Oh right. Marcia could do that too.

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Right, but using Sothe over Volke means you lose out on Lethality.

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You ultimately don't need Volke as a utility unit, as there are enough chest keys and the like,

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and you can break down things in this game by hitting them.

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And mind you, if you're looking to use Sothe purely for supports and for utility...you're dumb. Volke will be a more durable unit, so I'd rather spend pittance to get some good stuff. Oftentimes, you see, a chest has enemy units around them. Sending Sothe off on his own, or with a paltry support team of Sothe and Tormod seems like a pretty terrible idea, especially if you're running off to get chests before an enemy gets to them. Oh I know. Send Sothe and Astrid instead. At least Volke, even without supports, has more durability on the overall. I'd rather spend a little money than have one of my units die. Because if one of my units dies, I assume I'm a terrible player. Using Sothe often makes me feel like a terrible player.

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So yeah, you're probably going to be all like "Using an Occult Scroll on Volke is a waste, blah blah blah, I'm Reikken, here are the numbers I've carefully compiled as to why" and then my response would be "Kindly remove those numbers from my tender, tender butthole."

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lol, Lethatilty is a joke. Crit/2 = lowest activation rate ever. (Skill/2 + Weapon - EnemyLuck)/2. Even with your limited weapon, it's still at a single digit activation rate. With a Dagger, you'll be lucky to even get 4%activation. And it uses up an Occult. Lucia+Astra >>>> that.

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So before we get to that, let me just say that...I don't care what you say. Watching Volke stumble a little then obliterate an enemy in a single hit makes me glow on the inside. Sothe can't do that.

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Sothe is all like "oh man, I'm tiny. I'll hit you with my little knife!" and then the enemy laughs, bends him over, and goes Vlad the Impaler on Sothe with their massive...uh...egos.

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You keep saying this, and yet I don't believe you.

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It's perfectly easy to have a Rolf on level par with the rest of your team, especially since later on you go on and make the argument that you shouldn't be using a massive team anyways!

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Right. Money is so frickin hard to come by in this game. People don't randomly give your team thousands of monies for being cool as shit. You're rich as shit at many points in the game. You don't need to spend too too much on weapons, so by the time you get Volke to pick locks for you, 80 per lock is just...paltry. It's not a big deal. Sothe can do it for free, sure, but Sothe is also a giant wuss.

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And I would bring in Janaff I probably would bring in Sothe too, seeing as he can steal that physic sta- wa-wa-----...wait a minute. I haven't been spending jack shit on Sothe. Well according to Reikken I should just bring him in for stealing, never give him any kills, and give him a marginal amount of Bonus experience. Why the hell am I bringing an unpromoted thief at like...level nothing into Chapter 26 for a physic staff? Oh right. I'm definitely in favour of Sothe dying. Right. Okay. Thanks Reikken.

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The only thing Lucia has over Volke is hotness. Although I must admit, Volke can be pretty sexy.

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Stilletos can be used sparsely, when they're needed.

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Volke still does more damage than Sothe. Every argument you make for Volke fighting goes just as equally against Sothe fighting.

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Oh right, Sothe isn't going to fight. He's going to run around and hope he survives. Right.

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Rushing through, in my mind, means doing things like getting Ike to the exit as fast as possible, or killing the boss as fast as possible. So sure you get more bonus exp...but you lose out in a lot of...well...actual exp.

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Does it matter? While one of your dudes is bashing down the door, your healers are doing their work so you can enter the next part of the level fully healed. Doesn't seem like all that bad a deal to me.

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My point is that Volke is a fireman. And firemen are clearly men made out of fire. That makes Volke a fire type Pokemon.  Can Sothe say that? Well...Sothe has a skill called Blossom.  That makes Sothe a grass type. We all know that fire > grass.

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See, you did it again! If you're using a small team, then Rolf's exp consumption isn't as (oh goodness, word of the debate:) detrimental as you say it is. You're either going to argue for a large team where Rolf's experience stealing is detrimental, or a smaller team with the-Sothe-whose-job-can-be-done-by-Volke and Rolf=whose=experience=stealing-is-not-such-a-big-deal-now.

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Never is such a harsh word. How about, fairly often it's not good? I dunno, Rolf's offense is pretty good, especially when he's running around with a Killer bow. Sure it relies on criticals, but...it still gets the job done most of the time. Oh, right. And there aren't any enemy fliers in this game ever. Ever.

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What are you talking about? It's not like this game has a severe deficiency of either bonus experience or actual experience. In fact, there's more than plenty of it. If Muarim can gain a gajillion levels in a few chapters, according to your formulae, then these characters can all gain a hell of a lot more!

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Once again, you've gotten me confused. Sothe is going to go wail on priests? What a douchebag.

Besides, not ever chapter has priests that will just sit there and take damage from you. They're probably going to, you know, run away. Oh, unless you want to level up Sothe by boxing the priest in with three other units of yours and let Sothe 1 damage him forever until he dies, while gaining experience. You can do that right? Oh no wait, you can't. You prefer rushing through the game.

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So you're dumping bonus experience on Sothe instead, right?

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Sothe wants to go open chests that any other unit in their right mind (ie with a chest key) can do.

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Volke is not for this level. Nossir. Sothe doesn't even exist yet. But...*gasp* you're going to want some support. Holy crap, you've got Rolf. Forget the other supports. At least for earlygame utility, have Rolf something along the lines with C Mordecai, go up to Zihark. Nab him, then have Rolf pick on a few units for experience. Mordy shouldn't be transformed yet. Have them run like hell! I mean, hell. Send unarmed Titania up there to rescue Rolf after he's fired a potshot at an unsuspecting, yet still alive Vigilante before running away. Let's say you did have Sothe, and you'd send Sothe up there to do something like that...he'd die.

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Aw man. Sothe is a better unit that Rolf because Sothe can do a one damage hit. Oh man. Oh man. I might as well throw in the towel now. Shit, I've beaten the game cuz Sothe can do one damage. Seriously. Rolf can do more than 1 damage, and get good amount of experiience, so chillax on that, okay?

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Because Sothe NEVER EVER EVER needs to be in enemy range EVER. There are never chests that are being guarded by enemy units, there are no such things as long range spells or ballistae, and there are no such thing as reinforcements from various portions of the map. Oh, and if you're using a small team, like you're suggesting, there are going to be holes in your formation that more mobile enemy units can break through. Yeah, that's right. A larger team lets you spread the love on enemy turns, but a smaller team means your one unit is going to be attacked more often as a result. So what happens now? Well, I can only have so many formations with this tiny team, and that Paladin seems to have moved right around my guys and turned Sothe into a Sothe-ka-bob. Well rats. Seems, Reikken, you've led me astray with your false prophesies. You blasphemer. You should be stoned. Oh no wait. You already are because you made a dumbass suggestion like that!

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Who cares? He's not getting attacked by anything else, so just keep going, and then kill the mage thing. Unless it can somehow kill him in one hit, he's fine. If it can, just use a Pure Water.

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Hey hey hey, stick to the game here. I don't appreciate those kinds of metaphors! Sothe's +15 avo from supports. Sothe is not getting anything from Astrid. She's getting Makalov, who can actually keep up with her. Astrid will be too busy playing backrow, then later on backrow/frontrow to hang around Sothe. Besides, she can move ahead much further than he is, and then she's going to be getting exp at an alarming rate anyways. She leaves Sothe in the dust.

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And Sothe is not getting Tormod either. Why? Well because if using Sothe means that I have to use Tormod, too, that's even worse. (Sound familiar?)

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As I just stated above, he gets no avo from his supports, because he's just not getting his supports.

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And of course he's not weak to bows and ballistae like Reyson. Sothe isn't a bird. Sothe also doesn't need to add another weakness to his list. That would make him...well...worse than ever.

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So once again, where is he getting this experience from? How then is he getting decent supports, and how then is he even getting any semblance of durabiltiy. Is he going to poke every priest he finds? Usually its the priests poking the little boys, not the other way around. You're going to have a hard time backing up your claim if you can't tell me where you're getting this experience from.

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Pick at things to gain exp? Even Sothe can do that. Like hack away at priests. Free exp. And his atk sucks, so he can get more out of them without killing them. Ch 13 he's busy with chests, but most of ch 14's enemies have low def, and then from then on, you have Daggers, so he can do at least 1 damage to most things.
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He can indeed damage things, many enemies can't counterattack, and he even gets exp from stealing.

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Reikken, if you love numbers so much, why don't you just marry them?

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Of course Rolf's offense is never on par with that of the top tier units. That's why he's in the low tier debates, silly. However, he's not so low tier that he can't contribute to the battle in any fashion. I mean, c'mon. Kieran is an axe knight. If he were losing to a little hamster kid with a bow, he'd be a pretty shitty axe knight. 20 Crit isn't that impressive, but it's better than most units in this game.

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Well what's he doing back there? Masturbating? Tell Sothe to get a room. He can do that while he's not on the battlefield with the rest of my units. Sothe can practice self love, because he sure as hell ain't gettin no lovin from me!

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Screw Rhys. We're not using him. We'll use Rolf. And we'll run him around with a couple C supports, instead of bumping one just straight up to A. Let's
Mist x Jill A, Mist x Boyd C, Mist x Rolf C.
Marcia x Kieran A, Marcia x Rolf B

He doesn't get full support bonus, but he's got some good shit going for him there after all.

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I can only assume you're talking about the Mist Support. Uh, hullo. Rolf x Mist is such harmwarming dialogue. Much better than any of the drivel Sothe can spout. Rolf actually has character development in this game, it's actually rather interesting. Sothe is just an uninteresting character for now. The only thing that makes Sothe slightly noteworthy is that he has a big part in the upcoming fire emblem. But that doesn't pertain to FE9, which we're debating right now.

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I've been raggin on you real hard tonight, Reikken. So here. I'll just agree with you on this one. Then you can have a cookie. Then we'll go spoon and see if you've gotten better.

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He'll always be safe there. There are never enemy reinforcements from behind, or longe range things...or fliers. Huh.

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I'm gonna find something for you. Maybe you'll remember it.

*me saying Soren > Tormod*

Huh. why are you bothering to use Tormod at all if you're so convinced that Soren is so much better, Reikky?

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Yes, and I intend to. I'm using a small team, like you suggested, so what's the harm? It's not like he's being detrimental, as the team is still getting all the exp they need.

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I'm a Taurus.

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Who. Who then am I going to use?

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Look, I'd much rather take Janaff Rolf over all of them, because at least for quite some time, until you babysit Astrid up or until Boyd promotes, he's going to be your only bow user. And bow users are seriously underrated characters in all FE games.

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I got it from this place called "Truth". Pretty weird place, I know...but hey. They're usually right about things.

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TAKE THAT!