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| Yzarc | Jun 14 2007, 01:07 AM |
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For this debate post, I am going to do something rather uncommon. I am going to be my opponent.
h4x Huh. When I did that (said h4x when it was extremely unnecessary), I felt a chill go down my spine. Not a good one. It made me feel kinda gay. Oh well, that's not enough to keep me from pretending to be you.
Not if you're using h4x units and you are a h4x player and actually use bonus exp. Also, you seem to mention that the chapter where you don't want combat exp doesn't count for Nephenee and Kieran, because they won't get combat exp on that chapter. Well, I mean, they do get bonus exp. By this chapter, the only units that won't be very highly leveled are un-h4x or underleveled units like Tormod, or non-offense based units like Makalov. Level 20 is a safe assumption for the units you use most and have had for a while. Kieran should be slightly behind Oscar at this point, but Oscar will, and pretty easily, be level 20.
Actually...Oh wait, I'm Reikken, I forgot. Okay, what would Reikken say? 87484 4848 999584635 483726263 Damn, I feel SOOO gay. Okay, I can't do this anymore. Sorry, the whole swap-persona thing isn't gonna work out. Maybe some other time when I feel like taking a penis in the butt. Right now isn't that time. Okay, so now for a response that people with logic can understand: You're full of shit. With bonus experience running amok, it shouldn't be difficult to keep your more commonly used units at a similar level, and that level should be 18, 19, 20, around there. Promoted is a stretch, but it's pretty easy for Soren, Oscar or Boyd to be promoted around there, or other highly offensive units, like Marcia. Oh, and Titania, but whatevz on her. So, instead of all this "1.33 levels per chapter" nonsense, I'm gonna point out bonus experience, and note logical things that even a noob player could do, like spreading out combat exp. Even if not, though, Oscar will easily be level 20. Easily. By the time you actually recruit Devdan, the battle's pretty much over, so he's useless. By the next chapter, Oscar will be promoted. And he'll destroy Devdan in everything that is important. Might I also add an "lol" at Devdan starting with a Heavy Spear and losing 4 speed?
And then your units promote and then he gets progressively less heterosexual. Every ounce of experience he gets in the half a chapter he's good in is effectively useless because you're retarded if you use Devdan later on in the game.
Haha, you WOULD want to get onto Largo. But, probably in a gay way, unlike me. Faggot.
Depends on the team. Obviously high offense units will be much higher leveled than your average unit. Kieran and Boyd will be way the fuck up there, but Ike, Oscar and the like will probably be kinda low. But why am I arguing that? I'm not trying to say that Largo isn't underleveled. Quite the contrary. I'm trying to say that some experience sent his way will make him possibly one of the most valuable members of your final chapter team. And by that, I mean he can kill anything and everything in a single round, save swordmasters and dragons, given the right weapon. Given a crit, he could even kill swordmasters and dragons.
Oh, you're right, Largo does have bad offense, I should just give up now.
Unless you play the game planning on using Largo, in which case you save a little bit of bonus experience for him, give him some pretty easy kills for a chapter or so. In that case, he WILL touch that. He can hit level 20 by the end of the game. It's a possibility and it's entirely worth it. Let me explain by completely passing over your meaningless comparisons of his starting stats, which I have already granted are underpar. But first, I want to just look at this.
Stop overusing that word. It makes you have a smaller penis.
I'm confused as to what that means. Growths take effect as soon as you level up. For him, that's Speed and HP (thanks to starting exp) and after that everything shoots up pretty fast considering how quickly he is getting exp. And yeah, throw him some Bonus Exp. It's not like any of the earlier units need anymore. Give it to Largo and he'll be the best fighter on your team.
When he starts off, he is also level 7. He also doesn't join mid-chapter so you never, at any point, have to worry about him being apart from your team and you can give him some Bonus Experience right off the bat. By the end of the game, he'll be fucking baller and entirely worth it.
And of course by "go without them" you mean "stay with the rest of your team so he doesn't get surrounded and destroyed." It's easy to keep a character alive when you're focusing on that. The heart of this debate comes down to "is it worth babying Largo?" In order to determine that, we must first determine how good he is once he is the same level as the rest of your team. Final chapter, let's look at ending stats. Largo, 20 HP: 60 Strength: 29.4 (It will cap on fixed and high chance on random) Skill: 24 Speed: 25.8 (It'll hit 26 because of starting exp) Defense: 13.3 Res: 5.6 Luck: 15.9 Devdan, 20 HP: 48 Strength: 23.3 Skill: 21.4 Speed: 18.6 Defense: 18.2 Res: 14.0 Luck: 22.4 Largo wins HP: 12 Strength: 6.1 Skill: 2.6 Speed: 7.2 Devdan wins Defense: 4.9 Resistance: 8.4 Luck: 6.5 So, Offensively, it's no contest. Largo destroys Devdan in damage per hit, and number of hits. Devdan won't double much. Devdan has more accuracy, which is sort of significant. But 24 skill is pretty good and Largo can pretty easily land hits, especially given his supports. Defensively, Devdan wins Defense, Resistance and Luck. Needless to say, Devdan wins here. Largo just has 12 HP and a 7.9 Evasion lead. Difficult. Let's add supports. Devdan gets 3 Attack, 15% Hit from Tormod at A. He gets 1 Attack, 10% Hit and 5% Evasion from Nephenee at B. 4 Attack, 25% Hit and 5% Evasion in all. Largo gets 1 Defense, 7% Hit and 15% Evasion from Muarim or Tauroneo at A. He gets 1 Defense, 5% Hit and 10% Evasion from Muarim or Tauroneo at B. 2 Defense, 12% Hit and 25% Evasion. Devdan's gains effectively do nothing except make him able to hit harder. Still not as hard as Largo, but harder than he normally would. The accuracy gain is useless, since he can already land hits. He has probably one of the shittiest affinities for his purposes. Fire? Come on, offensive affinities are useful if you have enough attack speed to be an offensive person. Devdan cannot double and so that 4 extra damage is JUST 4 extra damage. Not 8. Largo's gains fill in his holes perfectly. His single flaw offensively is his low skill cap and use of axes. That gets fixed with a 12% boost to accuracy and his 15% critical hit rate. Defensively, that 25% evasion and 2 Defense/Res come in quite handy. He doesn't quite catch up to Devdan in Defense/Res gap, but he gets pretty close in Defense (though his res is still piss gay, I'll admit) but his evasion lead shoots through the roof. The only thing he cannot consistently dodge are swordmasters. So, keep him away from big groups of those. That's all you have to do for him to be ridiculously hardcore. With supports, Largo has 12 HP and 27% Evasion over Devdan's 2.9 Defense, 6.4 Res and 6.5% Critical Evasion. Which one's better? It's arguable, I'll grant. But this is coming from a unit who specializes on offense, not defense. I don't think I need to go into specifics in offense to make it clear that Largo fucking destroys Devdan. Largo has the single highest primary attack stat in the entire game (next to 2/3 of the Laguz Kings) and enough speed to double everything save Swordmasters and maybe a few Cats. Devdan...I doubt that he could one round a cow.
Just on joining times, yes, Devdan looks better. However, Devdan is never really outstanding or particularly useful. His speed when he first joins is pretty low (and really low with that Heavy Spear) so even then, he has shitty offense. His 35% Growth doesn't help him much there. He basically only gets worse and worse as time goes on. That wouldn't be so bad if he was SUPER fantastic when you first have him, or if he was at least still usable later on. However, neither of these are true. Largo joins underleveled, but gets progressively better and eventually becomes a primary fighter in your final battle.
You're pretty fucking liberal with that Knight Ward. At level 16, his speed is 17.2. You would need to have it on Devdan way too long for that to take use. The Knight Ward is too good an item to waste on Devdan just to make him suck less balls than he naturally does. I'd rather use it on Kieran to make sure he doubles as many things as possible, or Oscar, or Brom. Really, Devdan will consistently be my last choice for the Knight Ward, and he will for others as well. So, when it comes down to it, Largo's flaw does not lie in his lack of durability. His supports make him pretty damn durable. Nor does it lie in his offense, which is easily the best in the endgame. His single flaw lies in his joining time and level. In any other game, that would be a pretty big deal. However, in Path of Radiance, bonus experience is there specifically for cases like Largo's. So, while Largo is useless when he first joins, he becomes extremely useful in a few chapters. Devdan, however, is never useful. He is never powerful offensively. His durability is better than your common unit's when he first joins, but that hardly helps his case considering your common unit has a fine time surviving. Also, his usability wanes as time goes on to the point that every kill he got is a kill someone else could have gotten that could have actually used the experience for later on in the game. Assuming, of course, he gets kills. |
  
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