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Yzarc	Jun 16 2007, 04:29 PM
Coxian Posts: 3,432 Group: Veteran Member #308 Joined: July 8, 2005	Reikken Yzarc Drowsnam Jun 14 2007, 01:07 AM For this debate post, I am going to do something rather uncommon. I am going to be my opponent. Needless to say, I failed. I'm sorry. Quote: Yzarc Drowsnam Jun 14 2007, 01:07 AM Not if you're using h4x units and you are a h4x player and actually use bonus exp. Also, you seem to mention that the chapter where you don't want combat exp doesn't count for Nephenee and Kieran, because they won't get combat exp on that chapter. Well, I mean, they do get bonus exp. By this chapter, the only units that won't be very highly leveled are un-h4x or underleveled units like Tormod, or non-offense based units like Makalov. Level 20 is a safe assumption for the units you use most and have had for a while. Kieran should be slightly behind Oscar at this point, but Oscar will, and pretty easily, be level 20. No, dude. That was with bexp included. Only if you're using like 6 units are you going to have everyone promoted by now. Not everyone will be promoted. I'm gonna re-quote what was already in the quote that you already quoted. Me (Again) Level 20 is a safe assumption for the units you use most and have had for a while. Kieran should be slightly behind Oscar at this point, but Oscar will, and pretty easily, be level 20. And that is completely viable. Only four people were lower than 18 on my latest playthrough: Volke, Mist, Astrid and Makalov. And Astrid, given Paragon, can easily be higher. By the time you beat the level, Oscar, Kieran, Jill, Marcia, Boyd, Soren and a lot of other high-use units should be promoted or really fucking close to it. The second your units promote, Devdan becomes obsolete. Reikken Yzarc Drowsnam Jun 14 2007, 01:07 AM Actually...Oh wait, I'm Reikken, I forgot. Okay, what would Reikken say? 87484 4848 999584635 483726263 Damn, I feel SOOO gay. Okay, I can't do this anymore. Sorry, the whole swap-persona thing isn't gonna work out. Maybe some other time when I feel like taking a penis in the butt. Right now isn't that time. Eh..? Well...the important thing is you tried... Thanks. I don't know how you manage to be you ALL the time. I'd probably kill myself by the end of the day if I had to be you all day, every day. Good job, keep up the good work. Reikken Yzarc Drowsnam Jun 14 2007, 01:07 AM Might I also add an "lol" at Devdan starting with a Heavy Spear and losing 4 speed? lol, trade lol, waste a move on a unit that is better than Devdan. Or waste one of Devdan's turn trading. Either is dumb since by the time you get Devdan there are about 6 enemies left to beat. And having Devdan kill a single one of them is dumb. Reikken Yzarc Drowsnam Jun 14 2007, 01:07 AM Reikken Quote: Onto Largo. Perhaps one of the best offensive fighters in the game? Or, in fact, THE best? That's a difficult decision. The point here is this: Largo has a purpose on the battlefield. He rapes. Not only is he GOOD offensively but he is actually the BEST offensively in most situations. On to Largo indeed. Haha, you WOULD want to get onto Largo. But, probably in a gay way, unlike me. Faggot. Notice I said "on to". That's completely different than what you said, "onto", which means on top of. So now you're just hiding the fact that you want to be on top of Largo. What a homophobic asshole. At least I recognize his superior manliness and admit, in a completely heterosexual fashion, that I would be honored to do him. Needless to say, I would have to pitch. His penis is WAAAY too big for my butthole. He might fit in yours though. Reikken Yzarc You're pretty fucking liberal with that Knight Ward. At level 16, his speed is 17.2. You would need to have it on Devdan way too long for that to take use. The Knight Ward is too good an item to waste on Devdan just to make him suck less balls than he naturally does. I'd rather use it on Kieran to make sure he doubles as many things as possible, or Oscar, or Brom. Really, Devdan will consistently be my last choice for the Knight Ward, and he will for others as well. All your paladins need is to wear it when you give them bexp, and that'll be enough to have them cap spd. Devdan using it doesn't interfere with that at all. Um, not really. Kieran and Oscar need it for about 7 levels to cap speed, Titania needs it for a lot. Brom needs it for a LONG fucking time (and he still won't cap speed). So if I had to choose between Brom and Devdan, I choose Brom. Also, no way in hell am I giving my Paladins 6 or 7 levels in bonus exp when they have no problem getting more than enough combat exp. The only Cavaliers worth giving Bonus Experience to are Astrid and Makalov. Maybe Kieran, a few levels, when you first get him (he's a little underleveled) but even then, you don't have the Knight Ward, so you're EXACTLY wrong. Of all the people who can use the Knight Ward... -Titania -Oscar -Gatrie -Kieran -Brom -Nephenee -Astrid -Makalov -Devdan -Tauroneo -Geoffrey Devdan is one of the last people who should get it. Nephenee is probably THE last person to get it (since she caps speed anyway) but Devdan's near the end. Titania: Good throughout the game, but kind of underpar super late game. Knight Ward her for a lot of the game and she's good lategame as well. Oscar: Perfect, but doesn't cap speed without KW, and won't need Bonus Exp at any point in the game. Kieran: Same. Brom: Owns when he has the Knight Ward throughout the game. Specifically, he owns Devdan. And so on. Every single one of those units could use the Knight Ward at some point in the game. Why does Devdan get it the whole time? Even with it the WHOLE time, he's not very good, and that's with a huge boost to speed that you're taking from someone else. Basically, even with the KW, Devdan is one of your last choices for your team. Quote: Largo's lead is in avoid, which is based on luck. Enemies have pretty good hit, so his 92 avoid, while pretty good, isn't reliable. A few unlucky hits, and he's down, especially if he gets hit with a crit, like from a swordmaster, which he actually loses in avoid against. 92% hit is pretty fucking reliable when you have 60 HP backing it up. Swordmasters are the only thing you have to keep him away from. He doesn't have to worry about anything else, really. Let's look at a Sage with the Thoron. He has 15 skill and 5 luck. That's 33 Accuracy + 85 which comes out to 118% Accuracy. That's a 25.5% chance for a Sage to hit Largo with a Thoron. Bolting? 5.5% chance. Meteor? 10% chance. Largo is relatively safe against magic users. Yes, while 25% is not invincible, it's pretty good. If there are four sages, all targeting Largo (improbable) then one will land a hit, dealing ~23 damage. If there are 8 sages, that's 46 damage. Basically, Largo won't die. I don't give a flying fuck if Devdan is "more" durable as long as Largo doesn't die. What if that sage attacks Devdan? 14 Resistance, 48 HP, 65% Evasion. That Sage has a 53% chance to hit Devdan for 14 damage. Two sages do 14 damage, four do 28 damage. Four sages did 23 damage to Largo. 8 Sages do 56 damage to Devdan, killing him, where Largo only takes 46 damage, and stays alive (since he has more HP). So, at this point, in the realization that Devdan will not have the Knight Ward on for the ENTIRE last half of the game, Largo is both more durable (obviously, against this particular unit. Swordmasters would be a different story, and I'll grant that, but I'll also note that most units in the game will take more hits to kill Largo than Devdan when you take into account Evasion.) and far more superior offensively. Before I end my post. Quote: and then for the rare enemy that Devdan's atk is not high enough for, there's these nifty things called forged weapons, Devdan wouldn't get a forged weapon from me if he sucked my dick first. You can only make one per chapter and early on, you can't afford that shit. Later on, the good shit goes up to like 10 grand. No sir, Devdan is not godly enough for me to waste that much money on him. Suck. My. Balls. Thank you.


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