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Reikken	Jun 20 2007, 12:36 AM
Posts: 1,838 Group: FEFFer Member #907 Joined: August 26, 2006	Quote: Not everyone will be promoted. I'm gonna re-quote what was already in the quote that you already quoted. Me (Again) Level 20 is a safe assumption for the units you use most and have had for a while. Kieran should be slightly behind Oscar at this point, but Oscar will, and pretty easily, be level 20. And that is completely viable. Only four people were lower than 18 on my latest playthrough: Volke, Mist, Astrid and Makalov. And Astrid, given Paragon, can easily be higher. By the time you beat the level, Oscar, Kieran, Jill, Marcia, Boyd, Soren and a lot of other high-use units should be promoted or really fucking close to it. The second your units promote, Devdan becomes obsolete. I dunno what you're doing, because my units always promote during ch 17 unless I'm using a tiny team. AND, others promoting earlier doesn't make the enemies any faster. Devdan is still doubling just fine. Quote: Reikken Yzarc Drowsnam Jun 14 2007, 01:07 AM Might I also add an "lol" at Devdan starting with a Heavy Spear and losing 4 speed? lol, trade lol, waste a move on a unit that is better than Devdan. Or waste one of Devdan's turn trading. Either is dumb since by the time you get Devdan there are about 6 enemies left to beat. And having Devdan kill a single one of them is dumb. If there's only 6 enemies left, either the chapter is over in only 1 turn, so it doesn't matter anyway, or, more likely, not everyone is in position to attack, so it wouldn't be wasting a turn. Quote: Reikken Yzarc Drowsnam Jun 14 2007, 01:07 AM Reikken Quote: Onto Largo. Perhaps one of the best offensive fighters in the game? Or, in fact, THE best? That's a difficult decision. The point here is this: Largo has a purpose on the battlefield. He rapes. Not only is he GOOD offensively but he is actually the BEST offensively in most situations. On to Largo indeed. Haha, you WOULD want to get onto Largo. But, probably in a gay way, unlike me. Faggot. Notice I said "on to". That's completely different than what you said, "onto", which means on top of. So now you're just hiding the fact that you want to be on top of Largo. What a homophobic asshole. At least I recognize his superior manliness and admit, in a completely heterosexual fashion, that I would be honored to do him. Needless to say, I would have to pitch. His penis is WAAAY too big for my butthole. He might fit in yours though. Yeah, you do that. Have fun. Quote: Reikken Yzarc You're pretty fucking liberal with that Knight Ward. At level 16, his speed is 17.2. You would need to have it on Devdan way too long for that to take use. The Knight Ward is too good an item to waste on Devdan just to make him suck less balls than he naturally does. I'd rather use it on Kieran to make sure he doubles as many things as possible, or Oscar, or Brom. Really, Devdan will consistently be my last choice for the Knight Ward, and he will for others as well. All your paladins need is to wear it when you give them bexp, and that'll be enough to have them cap spd. Devdan using it doesn't interfere with that at all. Um, not really. Kieran and Oscar need it for about 7 levels to cap speed, Titania needs it for a lot. Brom needs it for a LONG fucking time (and he still won't cap speed). So if I had to choose between Brom and Devdan, I choose Brom. Also, no way in hell am I giving my Paladins 6 or 7 levels in bonus exp when they have no problem getting more than enough combat exp. The only Cavaliers worth giving Bonus Experience to are Astrid and Makalov. Maybe Kieran, a few levels, when you first get him (he's a little underleveled) but even then, you don't have the Knight Ward, so you're EXACTLY wrong. Them capping spd doesn't do anything for them. It's not enough to double swordmasters, and they're already doubling everything else. And when they end a chapter with liek 90 exp, give them the KW and that tiny amount of bexp needed to get them to the next level up, and you just took advantage of the Knight Ward at the cost of almost nothing in bexp. And Brom is indeed capping speed. On fixed mode, he caps it at 20/15, and he can miss 9 levels with it and still cap spd by 20/20. Anyway, pretending that Devdan doesn't get any levels with the Knight Ward is completely absurd. If you're not using Brom, Devdan is easily getting all his levels with the Knight Ward without anyone else needing to lose out on spd, and even if you are using Brom and getting him to cap spd, Devdan is still getting loads of levels with the Knight Ward. Quote: Even with it the WHOLE time, he's not very good, and that's with a huge boost to speed that you're taking from someone else. Basically, even with the KW, Devdan is one of your last choices for your team. What are you talking about? His offense is one of the best on your team due to his Kieran-level attack power and enough spd to double nearly everything, and he has good durability at the same time. Quote: Quote: Largo's lead is in avoid, which is based on luck. Enemies have pretty good hit, so his 92 avoid, while pretty good, isn't reliable. A few unlucky hits, and he's down, especially if he gets hit with a crit, like from a swordmaster, which he actually loses in avoid against. 92% hit is pretty fucking reliable when you have 60 HP backing it up. Swordmasters are the only thing you have to keep him away from. He doesn't have to worry about anything else, really. Swordmasters aren't the only things with good hit on him. Snipers don't get WTA, but they have high skill like Swordmasters, and they too have extra crit. Laguz weapons always have very high hit, and Laguz have pretty good skill. Any Paladin with a sword can get WTA on him. Quote: Let's look at a Sage with the Thoron. He has 15 skill and 5 luck. That's 33 Accuracy + 85 which comes out to 118% Accuracy. That's a 25.5% chance for a Sage to hit Largo with a Thoron. Bolting? 5.5% chance. Meteor? 10% chance. Largo is relatively safe against magic users. Yes, while 25% is not invincible, it's pretty good. If there are four sages, all targeting Largo (improbable) then one will land a hit, dealing ~23 damage. If there are 8 sages, that's 46 damage. Basically, Largo won't die. I don't give a flying fuck if Devdan is "more" durable as long as Largo doesn't die. That's not how things work at all. Whether the enemy hits or not is random. Each attack has a 1/4 chance to hit, not that it hits once every 4 times or some crap like that. 23 damage means Largo is dying in 3 hits. 3 unlucky hits, and he's gone. Largo staying alive relies on luck. For the stuff with something low like 5 hit, then yeah, he's safe from that since the chance of him being that unlucky enough times is too unlikely. And 15 skl + 5 lck = 35 hit, not 33. And then when it comes time to heal him, someone with Physic is only healing ~37 hp. And the last factor that makes avo not reliable is that this game has Biorhythm. Hitrates can vary by +/-10. Whenever Largo's on the bad end of that, he's screwed. Quote: Devdan wouldn't get a forged weapon from me if he sucked my dick first. You can only make one per chapter and early on, you can't afford that shit. Later on, the good shit goes up to like 10 grand. No sir, Devdan is not godly enough for me to waste that much money on him. Suck. My. Balls. You have enough money to forge a maxed might weapon of the highest level available every single chapter. Granted, for the first two chapters, it has to be one of the cheaper ones since you haven't gotten that 20k yet. But then after that, you get loads of money. The only way you're running out is if you start adding crit to weapons, which is very expensive and pretty worthless, or if you forge maxed might Wind or Light tomes, which are extremely expensive, and that's a terrible idea anyway. Thunder is both stronger and less expensive, so forging anything else is pretty pointless, and there's only one light magic user in the game, and his problems are durability and AS, not magic. So anyway, Devdan: needs the Knight Ward so that he can have good spd Largo: needs lots of bonus exp so that he can start out good and actually reach 20/20 Devdan, when Largo joins (silver lance) 40.8 atk, 21.5 AS, 161.6 hit, 9.9 crit, 16.9 def, 13.3 res, 45.8 hp, 69.1 avo, 21.2 critavo Largo, after ~1800 bexp (silver axe) 42.6 atk, 23.6 AS, 131.8 hit, 26.6 crit, 12.0 def, 4.6 res, 58.4 hp, 61.6 avo, 14.4 critavo Largo has a small lead in atk, but Devdan can kill everything in two hits anyway. Largo has some crit, but...why in the world would he need a crit? More damage doesn't help when the enemy is already getting killed from the normal amount of damage. Largo is lacking in hit, but he won't be missing anything aside from sword users. Largo has a lead in AS, but Devdan can already double everything but swordmasters. Offensively, they both can kill everything but swordmasters. Well, actually, with a forged weapon, they can kill those in one hit. So offense isn't what separates them, since they're both h4x there. Defensively, they're not invincible or anything, so a win there actually matters, and Devdan comes out on top. All Largo has is hp, and Devdan wins everything else by quite a bit. Largo's durability is a bit shaky, so he has to stay back a bit more. Because of that, his offense can't be put to use as much, so Devdan wins. Later on, the only notable change is that Largo gets alot more avo, so then he's fine defensively against most things, though still vulnerable to high hit and/or crit things, the most notable being swordmasters. So really, this debaet is needing the Knight Ward and being better defensively VS needing tons of bexp Considering that using the Knight Ward doesn't interfere with anything at all unless you're using Brom or something, and even then, you can still easily get Devdan to have enough spd and Brom to cap, Devdan's is easily the better deal.
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