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Barst	Jun 26 2007, 05:31 PM
Like I said before... I am perfect. Posts: 1,100 Group: FEFFer Member #1,241 Joined: May 5, 2007	Let's start at Ch.10/13, when Gerik and Tethys have joined. Battle stat comparison, assuming that Moulder is supporting Vanessa and Gilliam, while Colm supports no one. Yeah, I'll stop to explain those. First off, Moulder does not want Colm. The support has a lower base, starts later than his other options, and gives worse bonuses. It also won't happen. While Colm is going off somewhere to loot chests, Moulder is staying with the group to heal. They cannot build supports from a mile apart. If Moulder is dragged along with Colm, he won't be healing your group, and they'll be left to have to find another solution for healing. Not that helpful to the rest of your team. Also, it isn't that hard to have one unit escort a Thief to a chest, but with a healer tagging along, slowing them down? Nah. Not happening. On top of that, Colm's affinity doesn't help Moulder much. He needs defensive stats the most, and while Colm's affinity gives him one, Moulder supporting Vanessa and Gilliam gives him full in all three. Now, Colm does want Moulder. However, the support is hard to make and Moulder probably won't be supporting him anyways, so the support doesn't exist. Now, you could have Colm and Moulder support when there isn't things to steal. But then, Colm is really doing nothing but be a liability. Plus, as I said, Moulder doesn't want that support. Now, you'll probably want to know why Colm gets no supports. Well, with Neimi not getting used, Rennac not existing yet, and Moulder, Kyla and Marisa not available, he has no one. ((Kyle will be supporting some combination of Forde, Ephriam and Lute, while Marisa will be getting a triangle support with Gerik and Tethys.)) Well, with that past, let's compare their stats. Moulder ((LV8, C Vanessa, C Gilliam, Heal)) Atk: -- Hit: -- Crit: -- AS: 11 HP: 24 Def: 5 Res: 8 Avo: 34 Ddg: 12 Colm ((LV10, Iron Sword)) Atk: 12 Hit: 110 Crit: 3 AS: 15 HP: 24 Def: 5 Res: 3 Avo: 42 Ddg: 12 Gerik ((LV10, Steel Blade)) Atk: 25 Hit: 95 Crit: 6 AS: 12 HP: 32 Def: 10 Res: 4 Avo: 32 Ddg: 8 Tethys ((LV1)) Atk: -- Hit: -- Crit: -- AS: 12 HP: 18 Def: 5 Res: 4 Avo: 34 Ddg: 10 I'll compare Colm to Gerick and Moulder to Tethys. Gerik's wins Atk (13) Crit (3) HP (8) Def (5) Res (1) Colm's wins Hit (15) AS (3) Avo (10) Ddg (4) The Res, Ddg, and Crit are so close they may as well be tied. They both double just about everything, so the AS lead doesn't matter. So, it's 15 Hit and 10 Avo vs. 13 Atk, 8 HP, and 5 Def. Obvious who wins here. Now, you might say that those advantages are only because Gerick is using a Steel Blade and Colm wasn't. Now, he'll obviously start out uaing that Steel Blade, but I will show his stats with a Steel Sword instead: Gerik's wins Atk (10) Crit (3) HP (8) Def (5) Res (1) Colm's wins Hit (5) AS (2) Avo (8) Ddg (4) It's closer, but still an obvious win. Now, to compare Moulder and Tethys: Tethys's wins AS (1) Moulder's wins HP (6) Res (4) Ddg (2) So, they're basically tied, except Moulder is a bit better at taking magic attacks. ((They're both likely to fall in the same number of physical hits anyways.)) It seems like a win for Moulder, even though it's just a small one. However, they both have an ability that replaces their ability to fight. Moulder can... Heal. Not that impressive. However, Tethys can give another character the ability to act again. Each turn she refreshes a character, she's contributing as much to the team as that character does. She can copy anyone, so she can let one of your characters attack again and kill a tough enemy, she may as well have attacked just then. Or she can heal, and be just as good as Moulder is. Tethys's ability to dance allows her to do anything, unlike Moulder who is stuck to that one role. Therefore, Tethys is being more helpful than Moulder. Now, if both of them are doing better, it's overall a lot better, no? You might argue that Colm's ability to steal brings him above Gerik, but that only will happen in a few chapters, and at that it won't always be worth the trouble of sending a group out to go after a chest. Now, let's go forward, to Ch.17. Colm ((LV17, Steel Sword)) Atk: 18 Hit: 102 Crit: 5 AS: 16 HP: 29 Def: 7 Res: 4 Avo: 47 Ddg: 15 Gerik ((LV21, Steel Sword, B Tethys, C Marisa)) Atk: 28 (10) Hit: 130 (28) Crit: 21 (16) AS: 18 (2) HP: 45 (16) Def: 16 (9) Res: 9 (5) Avo: 62 (15) Ddg 21 (6) Wow. Colm now loses EVERYWHERE. No way his thieving will make up for that. You probably attribute that to the levels, because Gerik has been gaining more despite the Thief Exp bonus. That's because Colm can't fight well, so has hasn't been, well, fighting. So, he wasn't gaining much Exp. He's also been busy stealing stuff, instead of fighting. Stealing only gets 10 Exp, and you can't do it often. Now, let's compare Moulder and Tethys. Moulder ((LV15, B Gilliam, C Vanessa)) Atk: -- Hit: -- Crit: -- AS: 14 HP: 28 (5) Def: 8 Res: 11 (1) Avo: 46 Ddg: 18 Tethys ((LV7, B Gerik, C Marisa)) Atk: -- Hit: -- Crit: -- AS: 16 (2) HP: 23 Def: 8 Res: 10 Avo: 62 (16) Ddg: 22 (4) Tethys now wins statwise. The only differences that mean anything here are in HP and Avo. 16 Avo >>>>>>> 5 HP. She still has that amazing Dance ability, which pushes her even farther ahead. So, continued win. Let's check out endgame stats now. Gerik ((LV27, A Tethys, B Marisa, Silver Sword)) Atk: 36 (10) Hit: 140 (26) Crit: 30 (24) AS: 20 HP: 50 (15) Def: 21 (11) Res: 13 (6) Avo: 78 (21) Ddg: 30 (13) Colm ((LV23, Silver Sword)) Atk: 26 Hit: 114 Crit: 6 AS: 20 HP: 35 Def: 10 Res: 7 Avo: 57 Ddg: 17 Oshit... Colm is still losing MASSIVELY! Again, the ability to steal is not going to make up for huge losses just about everywhere. His ability to steal just does not make up for that. Now, to compare the other two: Moulder ((LV23, A Gilliam, B Vanessa, Shine)) Atk: 23 Hit: 126 Crit: 23 AS: 17 HP: 36 (6) Def: 15 (4) Res: 17 Avo: 64 Ddg: 30 Tethys ((LV15, A Gerik, B Marisa)) Atk: -- Hit: -- Crit: -- AS: 22 (5) HP: 30 Def: 11 Res: 17 Avo: 90 (26) Ddg: 37 (7) Tethys's WTF Avo wins this one. But wait, Moulder can attack and Tethys can't! Well, Moulder really can't fight that well. Just about anyone Tethys dances for will perform better than Moulder, thus she may as well have attacked instead. So, that's no advantage for Moulder. From the moment they join, Tethys and Gerik are beating Colm and Moulder. Sure, Colm and Moulder have plenty of time before that to be useful, but Colm doesn't steal many important things and you could use a Vulenary and get almost the same effect as Moulder's healing. Colm and Moulder aren't helping much at all, while Gerik and Tethys will be a huge help. Gerik and Tethys >>> Colm and Moulder.
	Formerly Othin

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