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He can heal nearly every turn, and he can also use staves that give more exp than Heal, which more than makes up for any turns of healing missed.
So... He's gonna waste your Mend, Barrier, Torch, etc. staffs just to get moar Exp? Nah.
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...what? Regardless of whether or not he promotes before they join is irrlevant to this point. He doesn't have to promote before they join to be useful. This is about him being useful before they join at the cost of zero loss of exp to the rest of the team, unlike combat units. Usually a unit helping out before another joins is mostly canceled by that unit also using up exp and stuff, but Moulder is not using up exp, so he's already well in the positive before Gerik and Tethys even show up.
Yay, point for him. Too bad he has so many more against him...
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If he's beating Gerik, he's beating Gerik. Who cares what factors contribute to it? He's still beating Gerik.
Again, it means that he's only beating Gerik when Gerik joins. After that, the advantage fades.
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Okay? Who cares? Saying that is about as ridiculous as saying "No combat rank lol" as a response to someone saying that one unit is better at fighting than another. There don't have to be rankings for more money and items to be useful. Money and items are useful in themselves.
Not all of the ones Colm steals. Half the ones he steals earlygame won't help at all, all they could possibly do is sit in storage to help your Funds Rank-Owait, no Funds Rank. So they're sitting in Storage doing nil, and making Colm's ability to steal them worthless.
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Except...they ARE supporting. Whether they should or shouldn't be doesn't matter because that is indeed what is happening.
I notice you neglected to counter the arguments against that. Until you do, you can't use that support.
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...? The only way I can make any sense of this is to assume that you misread what was posted, so I'll post it again for you: "Nah. Do you know what chapters he is looting chests before Gerik and Tethys arrive? 2 Eirika route and 3 Ephraim route."
Do you perhaps mean how many chapters?
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I believe you missed the point. If there are no chests, there's no reason Colm and Moulder won't be building supports.
Except that the support isn't gonna happen, as you so kindly neglected to argue against.
No chests also means that Colm's advantage in his ability to loot them is gone.
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Gerik and Tethys are worse on Ephraim route. Indeed. And it's not a wholly inferior route or anything like that, so it will be taken.
There's one reason to not take that route, and no reasons to take that route. So, why are you gonna take that route?
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Gerik is supposed to be attacking, not following Tethys.
Who says Gerik can't attack while next to Tethys?
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They were half scenarios at best. They didn't factor in that Gerik needs to be attacking enemies.
I take it you don't know that it's possible for Gerik to move, attack and build supports in one turn?
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....what?
What is there to misunderstand? :/
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I don't know why either of you are even talking about this. And yours doesn't make much sense...
Point is: Moulder and Colm both have much better A supports to work on than each other. Even if they might not benefit as much from taking those supports, they aren't the only characters on the team. If they have to deprive other characters of good supports to support each other, their support is a detriment to the team and should not be used.
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Oh please. Well, while we're making baseless claims, here's another one: Gerik's offense is horrible, so he won't be reaching many levels.
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point for Colm...!
It's a point in one aspect, but a loss in the one you're trying to defend.
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ou mai gaaa Franz also does less than Garcia. I guess we can't use Franz either. Oh wait, Garcia also does less than Seth. Zomg, no one can fight except Seth. I guess everyone else is worthless. Oh, but wait! Colm can still steal things. w1n.
*Stabs Soren*
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Awesome. Colm gets a B support. And it's uber-fast, too. w1n
So Neimi is a valid support option then?
Well, if Moulder will want to support other characters over Colm, and Colm has another supports that'll help him just as much as Moulder...
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What are you talking about? This isn't about who gets the most exp.
Of course it isn't, but that wasn't the point. Don't you know what your partner said?
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He can indeed do it. The point is that suggesting that he sucks at fighting or something is ridiculous.
Thanks for giving us yet another reason why Colm is bad: He takes tons of Exp from everyone else to get to a level where he's even usable.
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Other staves besides Heal exist, so it's more than 99.
...Yet you fail to give us a reason why we should give Moulder our rarer staffs, 'cause for now it seems to be no reason other than to give him more Exp. He needs to take good staffs from the rest of the team to be good? lolfail
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Huh? Don't you mean that the rest of the team fails? Moulder isn't the one attacking. He's the one keeping people alive. Avoiding counters? If you can heal, you don't even need to avoid counters.
So you need to waste staff uses and time just to kill a boss easier when you already can kill him easier? Sure there's no Tactics Rank, but just remember the rules:
"2. Efficiency will matter. There are no rankings, but it's always better to be cheaper, finish faster, kill faster, etc."
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Wastes your staves? Staves can be bought. And guess who Moulder's partner is...! Indeed. The master of moneyz.
Again, Rule #2 kills this.
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Indeed. FoW? Good thing we have Colm.
Is it not Moulder we're debating about right now?
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Oh? Do you think it should take more turns? Okay. More exp for Moulder, then.
Nah.
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or if he uses this thing called Mend. Or whatever other staff. And...if he's only getting hit one time, he doesn't need to heal.
You still haven't given us a reason to use Mend. Plus, he'll get hit hard.
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wrong again
Nah.
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Last I checked, this debaet was Moulder and Colm vs Gerik and Tethys. Anyway, yes. FoW...and on the hardest chapter in the game? That would suck if you didn't have Colm.
Last I checked, we were talking about Moulder at the moment. Colm being good here does not help Moulder get Exp.
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...? If Colm is doing at least as well as Gerik, and Colm fails, that means Gerik fails as well. And since Gerik's only use is combat, and he fails at it, that's really really really bad. And B Neimi = +2 atk for Colm. ftw
Eh? No, he ISN'T beating Gerik, for reasons stated.
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Demolishes? I like how you backed that up so well. Oh, oh, let me counter: Colm demolishes Gerik offensively.
Maybe you should have backed up that claim.
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lol, Iron Sword. You can buy Killing Edges, so there's no reason for Colm not to be using some. And you can also buy...Silver Blades...! Zomg. They're expensive, but this is Colm. If he ever needs that much atk, he has it. Steel Blades are also quite expensive, btw. Same cost as a Silver Axe. And if Tethys is wasting her turn refreshing Gerik because he didn't double, that's using two people to do the job of one. when instead, I could have just used Colm and then had Moulder free to do whatever. Wow, COLMOULDER is amazing.
You're giving him a Steel Blade? There goes his Avo lead. D=
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I dunno, maybe you should use Colm and then make them h4x. ftw
Not as h4x as you make it seem.
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better than your team, at least, and that's all that matters
Nah.
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Yes, it is indeed THAT much worse. A 90 hit enemy has 0% real on Colm and 7.4% real on Gerik A 100 hit enemy has 2.5% real on Colm and 17.1% real on Gerik A 110 hit enemy has 9.0% real on Colm and 30.8% real on Gerik A 120 hit enemy has 19.5% real on Colm and 48.5% real on Gerik Colm > Gerik defensively. And Gerik is the one who gets hit harder from magic. Getting hit way more often and getting hit harder? phail
And this is without Neimi. Add in that support and Colm rapes even more.
Magic is hardly common, and against physical enemies, Gerik doesn't have much to worry about. When Colm does get hit, though, he sure does have something to worry about.
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