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Dragon Hellfire	Jul 6 2007, 01:04 PM
Dragon Hellfire; three random words Posts: 1,563 Group: FEFFer Member #812 Joined: June 9, 2006	Alright, I'm going to ignore all the "Nah." comments as they don't do anything. They don't debate, and because there was no valid proof elsewhere that related to the subject I can only assume you are disagreeing without reasoning. This is a safe assumption, is it not? So your post is very lacking in content, giving me little to work with, thanks. Quote: So... He's gonna waste your Mend, Barrier, Torch, etc. staffs just to get moar Exp? Nah. So... Gerik's gonna waste your Steel Blades, Silver Swords, Killer Axes, etc. just to gain moar Exp? Yes, that's is exactly what he'll be doing because that's how you get through the game. The times you use the Torch staff are in FoW maps, and that can hardly be considered wasteful, and Barrier staffs are good for letting your low res units be more versatile, that's hardly worthless, and then Mend staffs are for healing people that took hard blows, that's hardly worthless. What's Gerik do with his weapons? He attacks with what a thief could do better. And our team is godly on funds, while your team has nothing. Your team does no more than take away from the overall teams funds, while our team adds to it. So if Moulder wants to use that Mend staff and gain more experience, then fuck yeah, we're still beating your team in funds, and we have more experience. Quote: Again, it means that he's only beating Gerik when Gerik joins. After that, the advantage fades. No, he beats him when he joins, he continues to beat him for a while, near the endgame Gerik catches up to him. What you are forgetting is that Colm has the ability to use h4x power weapons a lot more freely than Gerik can without Gerik being a huge detriment to your pocket. So if Colm wants more power, he has it. Here: Colm 20/18 A Moulder, B Neimi: 23.3 Atk Gerik 20/11 A Tethys, B Joshua: 25.5 Atk So your beastly offensive unit is winning by about 2 endgame. When they join. Colm 20/01 A Moulder, B Neimi: 17.2 Atk Gerik 10/--: 14 Atk So now your beastly offensive unit is losing by three. The difference is there and with this you can tell that Colm will be better than Gerik longer than he will be better than him in Atk, granted not by much. But there's something else; AS. This is something that Gerik can never pass Colm in, for example: Colm 20/18: 29.5 Gerik 20/11: 23.5 Gerik is losing by 5.8. Colm 20/1: 19.8 Gerik 10/--: 13 Gerik is losing by 6.8. So what we can conclude from this is that Colm will always be double attacking more than Gerik, and Gerik only starts to do more damage per blow after a while. But the thing is that if Colm needs more power to kill, he just equips a stronger weapon; Gerik has no answer for his AS. Quote: Not all of the ones Colm steals. Half the ones he steals earlygame won't help at all, all they could possibly do is sit in storage to help your Funds Rank-Owait, no Funds Rank. So they're sitting in Storage doing nil, and making Colm's ability to steal them worthless. Wow, you just won a bullshit award my friend. The things that Colm steals early game are worthless? The first chapter you have him you get nice weapons to outfit your units, that's not worthless. Actually, I want you to name one thing that Colm steals that is completely worthless instead of just blatantly stating that they are. You've failed to give me facts and proof for your claim. And even if some things are worthless, the promotion items and stat boosters he steals is an insane amount of worth. It allows promoting units and increasing units stats, which is far, far more than what a unit like, say, Gerik does. Quote: I notice you neglected to counter the arguments against that. Until you do, you can't use that support. Wow dude. Wow. The entire logic behind your claim is that Moulder would want Vanessa more. While this could be true, it doesn't hold any weight in this debate because this debate is about Moulder Supporting Colm. You can't go into a debate against Legault, say Matthew is better, and start debating Matthew, as it doesn't prove anything against your opponents character, or in this case, team. Quote: Do you perhaps mean how many chapters? Hey, yeah, you noticed my typo. Good, that means you could of countered my point, but yeah, you didn't. Quote: No chests also means that Colm's advantage in his ability to loot them is gone. There are still chests and things to steal throughout the game, and the times there are not don't make those other times not exist. Obviously we aren't saying that Colm steals every turn every chapter, but instead we stack the things he does steal. Stacking the things he steals shows you how much it is, no where it is, these happen to be times they are not interfering with Colm support Moulder, but they are still there. So Colm and Moulder can get to an A support easy and Colm can steal tons without it being much of a problem. That's all that matters, not "Well Colm isn't stealing on this chapter so he sucks". That's not even true, because he has offensive abilities too thanks to lolwtf AS. Quote: There's one reason to not take that route, and no reasons to take that route. So, why are you gonna take that route? Perhaps I want a better Cormag and Duessel that has use? What you get on Eirika route is a earlier joining Gerik (although not by much, only 2 chapters), and a Dancer that it doesn't even matter she joins sooner because her stats are moot. I'd prefer the weapons that you get on Ephraim's route compared to Eirika's route too, such as the Dragon Shield and Duessel's silver weapons. So yeah, enlighten me why going on Eirika Route is so much better, or hell, go ahead and make your own comparison of our teams if they go on Eirika route. Quote: Who says Gerik can't attack while next to Tethys? Surely it's possible, but again, that means he has to follow Tethys around detracting from his versatility making him that much worse. Because Colm and Moulder have an A at this time Colm and Moulder can be three squares apart, giving Colm a lot more versatility in his offense, letting him safely blow Gerik out of the water offensively. I'd much rather just go slow paced than to have Gerik lack experience and combative usefulness for the sake of a support. And it would only be logical for you to want that too, because if not ... he lacks in experience and combative usefulness. Quote: Point is: Moulder and Colm both have much better A supports to work on than each other. Even if they might not benefit as much from taking those supports, they aren't the only characters on the team. If they have to deprive other characters of good supports to support each other, their support is a detriment to the team and should not be used. Uhhh, no. Vanessa can just as easily support Lute instead of getting an A with Moulder, and then Neimi could support Artur, who is getting a B with Lute. And then assuming they are detrimental, well tough shit for us, right? It has to be really hard for us to win if our team is being detrimental in that field. Point is that we are debating (we, not so much you) with that in mind, and it's only your fault if you fail to mention it properly. But alas, the really aren't hurting the team support wise as you can easily get full supports still. Quote: Thanks for giving us yet another reason why Colm is bad: He takes tons of Exp from everyone else to get to a level where he's even usable. Thanks for giving us yet another reason why Gerik is bad: HE takes tons of Exp from everyone else to get to a level where he's even usable. Now look at this, when Colm joins he has one of the best offenses on your team. When Gerik joins he is underpar. Somebody is going to have to kill more to become usable. Quote: ...Yet you fail to give us a reason why we should give Moulder our rarer staffs, 'cause for now it seems to be no reason other than to give him more Exp. He needs to take good staffs from the rest of the team to be good? lolfail I hat when people go "lolfail" with logic is horrible. Yes, I'm looking at you Soren. He takes Staffs from the rest of the team? Dude, FOR HALF OF THE GAME he is your only staff user. Who he takes staffs from is nothing more than his own pocket. And yeah, those staffs he is using are actually helpful at time and should be taken into consideration. And there is another way he can gain experience; getting targeted. That safely sets 99 to 100. Now he needs them "to be good"? Dude, it's one experience point, it's not making or breaking anything, he's good without, but it's only logical to consider that there will be times that using a different staff than heal will be useful. lolfail Quote: So you need to waste staff uses and time just to kill a boss easier when you already can kill him easier? Sure there's no Tactics Rank, but just remember the rules: "2. Efficiency will matter. There are no rankings, but it's always better to be cheaper, finish faster, kill faster, etc." I don't know, but 33 more experience at the cost of a 60 G does not sound like a bad deal, especially when it clarifies that you won't be dying. Quote: Again, Rule #2 kills this. No, our team is still helping the moneys more than not, and what team isn't here? Gerik and Tethys, all they do is hurt the funds rank. So should Gerik be able to use anything more than an Iron Sword? Not by your logic, no. Because we're apparently not aloud to use anything other than shit, even if it increases our teams ability. Quote: Is it not Moulder we're debating about right now? No, it's not. We're debating about Moulder, Colm, Geirk, and Tethys. I'll just pretend what you said was a joke to try and brush off the reason you didn't have a counter. Quote: Last I checked, we were talking about Moulder at the moment. Colm being good here does not help Moulder get Exp. But it does help our team. w1n Oh, and Torch Staff. Quote: You're giving him a Steel Blade? There goes his Avo lead. D= ... no actually. We're giving him a Silver Blade. Which makes their AS equal (remember the "he can equip weapons to get more Atk, but Gerik can't equip weapons to get more AS?" arguement?), and Colm still has 6.7 more Eva than him. What the hell are you talking about? Quote: Magic is hardly common, and against physical enemies, Gerik doesn't have much to worry about. When Colm does get hit, though, he sure does have something to worry about. He gets hit less than half as much as Gerik at most. Gerik only has 3 more Def, don't bullshit. You're just playing off the stereotypical "Thieves lack in offense and defense", if you actually looked a numbers it's clear who is superior. And against Magical units, be them common or not, Colm wtfraepz Gerik.
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