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AdamNW	Jul 6 2007, 10:05 PM
Needs moar Sety Posts: 1,558 Group: FEFFer Member #869 Joined: August 7, 2006	spends next to no time on this post Quote: Alright, I'm going to ignore all the "Nah." comments as they don't do anything. They don't debate, and because there was no valid proof elsewhere that related to the subject I can only assume you are disagreeing without reasoning. This is a safe assumption, is it not? So your post is very lacking in content, giving me little to work with, thanks. The least you coulda done is respond with a smartass comment </3 Quote: So... Gerik's gonna waste your Steel Blades, Silver Swords, Killer Axes, etc. just to gain moar Exp? Will anyone else really be using them? One 1 person capable of using Axes (Franz) is a better unit then Gerik, and his Con (going into Gknight) is less then Gerik, not to mention his mov suffers. Most other axe users either aren't worth it, or are too slow/can't hit. And when other swordusers use the heavy swords, their AS and Avo suffers (COLM) Quote: Yes, that's is exactly what he'll be doing because that's how you get through the game. Seeing as no one else should really be using the heavy swords, yeah. Quote: The times you use the Torch staff are in FoW maps, and that can hardly be considered wasteful What's your point? Moulder still isn't getting EXP that fast. Quote: Barrier staffs are good for letting your low res units be more versatile And you act as though Natasha won't be using the Barrier and Torch staves either... Quote: Mend staffs are for healing people that took hard blows, that's hardly worthless Or units w/ heal staves that actually have enough magic to heal someone. Quote: What's Gerik do with his weapons? He attacks with what a thief could do better. I like how you say that othin didn't support his reasoning, then you go right ahead and do the same thing. Hypocrite. Quote: And our team is godly on funds, while your team has nothing. Correction. COLM is good on funds. Moulder doesn't do shit to help you with the moneyz. Explain to me how your team is good with funds when you have a Magic user, possibly the biggest eater of moneyz evar. Tethys dun do jack to your funds. Neutral > Negative. Quote: Your team does no more than take away from the overall teams funds, while our team adds to it. No. Moulder takes away from your funds WAY more then Gerik. How does your team help funds when one half takes away more then anyone else? Quote: No, he beats him when he joins, he continues to beat him for a while, near the endgame Gerik catches up to him. What you are forgetting is that Colm has the ability to use h4x power weapons a lot more freely than Gerik can without Gerik being a huge detriment to your pocket What? How is colm not taking away from funds as much as Gerik when they use the same weapon? It can't be from the thieving shit, because Colm doesn't benefit from everything he steals (he doesn't even steal his promo item in eirika's path) Quote: So if Colm wants more power, he has it. So in other words, Colm is a spoiled bitch now? But we already have Clarine Quote: So now your beastly offensive unit is losing by three. The only thing I want to know here is why you didn't include the weapon he has equipped when he starts. Sure, you didn't do that for colm, but it's not like you'll be unequipping Gerik's weapons in that chapter. wait, how does moulder already have his A with colm? Quote: But the thing is that if Colm needs more power to kill, he just equips a stronger weapon; Gerik has no answer for his AS. You seem to exclude the fact that Colm's con sucks dick. He can't lift anything to beat Gerik's steel blade without losing AS. If he uses the steel blade, his AS falls below Gerik's. Gerik will NEVER be weighed down starting at promotion (lol devil axe), and is only weighed down by ONE weapon when he starts (which only makes him lose 1 AS). There's no answer for Colm's shitty con, which stays the same. Gerik's speed actually increases. Before you go "use an iron sword," Gerik ties with a SLIM SWORD. Quote: the promotion items and stat boosters he steals is an insane amount of worth. It allows promoting units and increasing units stats, which is far, far more than what a unit like, say, Gerik does. That reminds me: DH's first post Then you can make a "super" unit from all the stat boosters. 7 HP, 2 Str/Mag, 4 Spd, 2 Def, 2 Res, 2 Lck, 2 Con That's insane. Without Colm your units would be quite a bit worse. Just add those stats to one unit and tell me they are not godly. Hell, even bottom tier shit becomes usable with a bit of Colm's magic. Low tier right? Marisa = Low tier. Marisa can triangle with Tethys and Gerik Here are Marisa's 20/10 SM stats w/ stat boosters, B gerik, B tethys, and a Shamshir: HP: 52 ( ) Mt: 27.2 Hit: 161.1 (she dun need a skill book ) Crit: 73.65 (!!!) Avo: 97.6 AS: 27.3 (only 2 less then Colm? ) CEV: 33 Def: 13.6 Res: 14 I think I got everything... omargod marisa dun suck Now let's go to Gerik and Tethys, with the battle stats you gave them (level and everything) with B marisa. Gerik ((LV31, Hero, A Tethys, B Marisa)) Atk: 24.5 Hit: 65 Crit: 31.5 AS: 21 HP: 54 Def: 22 Res: 14 Avo: 81 Ddg: 33.7 Tethys ((LV18, Dancer, A Gerik, B Tethys)) Atk: --- Hit: --- Crit: --- AS: 23.9 HP: 32.4 Def: 12.1 Res: 18.8 Avo: 96.4 Ddg: 37.2 Just for kicks, lets see what the battle stats of Gerik AND tethys are when they get attacked by the DK: DK v Gerik (Ravager) Atk: 31 Hit: 54 (44 w/ garm) Crit: 0 DK vs Tethys (Demon Light) Atk: 29.2 Hit: 24 Crit: 0 Now lets look at Gerik w/ Ahudlama/Garm (assuming DK has ravager) Atk: 38 \| 44 x2 Hit: 99 \| 89 Crit: 11 \| 11 yeah yeah, I know "WTF is he doing with Garm?!" Spam his steel axes for 4 WEXP a kill, or even the Devil Axe for 16 a kill here's the scenario: Gerik uses Garm to do 88 damage on his turn, and the DK misses. Tethys dances, and Gerik owns his ass. Now, let's go with Gerik and Ahudlama. He hits, the DK hits. Tethys dances, and Gerik uses an Elixer. The DK attacks tethys and misses (or hits, it dun matter). Gerik takes another round for the kill. Colm ya say? Why is Colm attacking when Moulder can? Quote: You can't go into a debate against Legault, say Matthew is better, and start debating Matthew, as it doesn't prove anything against your opponents character, or in this case, team. But if Mattew > Legault, Legault shouldn't be used, thus a point against legault. In the same sense, The fact that moulder and colm A support shouldn't exist is a point against them. That's whats so good about Tethys and Gerik, it should exist, which is a point for our team. Quote: Now look at this, when Colm joins he has one of the best offenses on your team. When Gerik joins he is underpar. Somebody is going to have to kill more to become usable. No. A unit who has more levels on your team (COLM) will take more kills to level up whereas Gerik will take less. Otherwise, Nino wouldn't be a EXP goddess Quote: I hat when people go "lolfail" with logic is horrible. Yes, I'm looking at you Soren. Quote: He takes Staffs from the rest of the team? Dude, FOR HALF OF THE GAME he is your only staff user. Who he takes staffs from is nothing more than his own pocket. And yeah, those staffs he is using are actually helpful at time and should be taken into consideration. Natasha joins 4 chapters after Moulder. The game isn't 8 chapters long Quote: And there is another way he can gain experience; getting targeted. That safely sets 99 to 100. Moulder has a base avo of 18 and def of 2. Why the hell is he getting targeted? Quote: Now he needs them "to be good"? Dude, it's one experience point, it's not making or breaking anything, he's good without, but it's only logical to consider that there will be times that using a different staff than heal will be useful. At no point should more then 14 pts of HP need to be healed that early in the game. Quote: I don't know, but 33 more experience at the cost of a 60 G does not sound like a bad deal, especially when it clarifies that you won't be dying. 33 exp? I think you mean 11 EXP or 180 g... Quote: No, our team is still helping the moneys more than not, and what team isn't here? Gerik and Tethys, all they do is hurt the funds rank. So should Gerik be able to use anything more than an Iron Sword? Not by your logic, no. Because we're apparently not aloud to use anything other than shit, even if it increases our teams ability. No. Colm helps funds. Moulder definately hurts funds. Tethys doesn't do shit to funds. And, you can't say that Colm doesn't hurt funds if he is a fighter. If he isn't a fighter, he isn't in need of supports, which in turn makes this team gay. We don't like gay, useless teams. Quote: No, it's not. We're debating about Moulder, Colm, Geirk, and Tethys. I'll just pretend what you said was a joke to try and brush off the reason you didn't have a counter. it's your point, don't act retarded The point was about Moulder's EXP rates. Colm doesn't help Moulder's EXP ranks. Therefore, bringing up the fact that Colm can see in the fog doesn't help Moulder any. Sure, it applies to your team as a whole, but not to moulder alone. Oh, and Colm w/ torch > Torch staff, which means Moulder isn't needed in FoW (: Quote: ... no actually. We're giving him a Silver Blade. Which makes their AS equal (remember the "he can equip weapons to get more Atk, but Gerik can't equip weapons to get more AS?" arguement?), and Colm still has 6.7 more Eva than him. What the hell are you talking about? I was under the assumption that you could read. I guess I was wrong. Colm w/ steel blade = goodbye EVA lead. Colm w/ Silver blade means that the AS is equal, as with the pow (I think...) Quote: And against Magical units, be them common or not, Colm wtfraepz Gerik. Same logix: 20/20 stats, be them common or not, Nino wtfreapz Pent. \|:
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