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| Dragon Hellfire | Jul 9 2007, 08:13 AM |
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Dragon Hellfire; three random words
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When Garret joins he's your only bald guy. The difference here is that eventually you gain more healers, and by the end of the game you have more than enough. However, you still only have one bald guy. I don't know about you but I do think that more variety in a team would allow you to do many different actions and let you always be able to devise the most effective strategies.
Huh? Sorry, it's just that chapters 2 and 3 never struck me as hard in the least. The Soldiers do 7-9 damage to Deak and Lott, and one more to Ward. Assuming Fort. So it's about 4 hits to kill one of them, and the enemies don't double. The amount of enemies is not great, and you won't be taking that many hits from them as you can kill them fairly easily. Deak can double, and Lott can double a few. Iron Blade!Deak and Iron Axe!Lott can one round them. Considering Eva as well and you haven't a problem. The most threatening enemy is probably the Mercenary that Deak can make short work of dealing 14 damage a blow to it, with it only having about 25 HP. The enemies thus far aren't a threat to any of your units aside from one; Ellen. Ellen has a total of 16 base DR, and max DR, with no Def and all. The least amount of damage that any unit in my samples do to her is 13, which leaves her with 3 HP left. She can't heal herself outside of a vulnerary, which only places her 3 back up to 13, in which case the weakest unit on the map still kills her in another blow. Then you have stronger enemies that can OHKO her such as the Mercenary and the Fighters spread out on the map. She is quite a liability to your teams defenses, as she is one of the only units that needs constant protection, well to be of use anyway. And her healing doesn't even do that much anyway. She heals 11 HP that will rarely come into play on the map. If your units were actually risking death and needed help to finish the chapter faster and more effectively, then she would have said use, but they don't. Even if they did it's generally not in the area that Ellen is. Deak and his posse start over across the bottom opening where they will start killing enemies, whereas Ellen is behind Allen and Lance so she doesn't get raped by the soldiers. Once Allen and Lance move out and help Deak and his posse (more than Ellen could, because they are removing the problem instead of suppressing it.), eventually all the enemy units are dead and when Ellen gets there not much is needed to be done. Marcus weakens boss, somebody else kills it, Roy seizes, chapter over. What exactly did Ellen do? Heal a couple unnecessary wounds? Great, good shit Ellen.
Yeah, especially Ellen who takes away from your parties potential by her most commonly gazed upon ability; the ability to get OHKO'd. She sucked a chapter ago, and she probably hasn't leveled up, but what are her stats at right now? 16.45 HP, and .05 Def. Yeah, horrible bases and horrible growths, way to go. Sure she has a bit more use here than the last chapter but the party still does fine without her, and quite a bit of times that the party would rather she not be there. The cavaliers have 7 Mov, and a few of the have Javalins, not good for Ellen. They will be targeting her because she sucks so much defensively, and she'll be dying like a bitch, and just getting targeted makes the combat rating go down a bit. She's helping here and there, but she's also being quite the detriment, so I can hardly say that the time you have her and not Clarine/Saul can account for much.
Oh, so here is Ellen's REAL WORTH. She has a massive three turns before Clarine joins to really shine and prosper above everyone else. She is a GOD. Oh, wait, scratch one turn because she probably won't be healing on turn one. Oh, and the Nomads have ranged attacking and can 2HKO her, meaning she has to stay away from your frontlines where people actually need to be healed. Yeah, she's back down to massive suck again. And this is all before Clarine, when she is the only healer. She has this little use when she is the best healer? So what happens when she is second? And in two chapters what about when she's third? How much she is healing is severely cut down because others are doing it too, and because she has less durability and Mag, and in Clarine's case Mov, she's not the top option for healing anyways. So she's on the low end of a three way split in a job that is more times than not unnecessary. lol
Could of fooled me. Garret's only lacking in Spd, but with his massive Crt he doesn't need to worry all that much. Lets put him against a Wyvern and see what happens... Killer Axe Atk: 17.5 Hit: 95(real) Crt: 60.75 Now before you bitch at me about the Killer Axe, let me note this is just relative to how much Garret detriments your party compared to Ellen. Ellen requires a promotion item and staffs to be a useful part of your party, while Garret does not require a promotion item and uses the cheapest weapons. This allows him to be much thriftier than your other units letting them use better weapons. Be it he or somebody else using those weapons, it is thanks to the fact that you used him instead of some crappy unpromoted unit. Well, either it's Garret is 10k more useful for funds( : D ), Garret makes your party much better combatively( : D ), or a mixture of both( : D ). I like that last one just because it shows Garret is better for both the combat and funds rank. Now back to the comparison we can see that Garret is hardly lackluster. He has a 58% chance of one rounding, which is quite a bit more than other units on your team that require multiple rounds even with doubling. Seeing as this is a comparison between Ellen and Garret, who exactly is doing better here? Garret of course because Ellen has yet to promote due to lack of Guiding Rings. Also on that note we can tell that Ellen has done nothing but sucking for the past while, and because sucking < not being there, Garret has been winning for the past while. In Combat, Funds, because he actually gains it, Experience, and because he can do something without being a detriment, Tactics. ![]() Garret >>> Ellen
Sure he could go for some hit, but why wouldn't he want Crt?
Yeah that's great and all, the entire comparison shows that Garret is not, in fact, a good unit. Golly-gee, who would of thought that we would have a mediocre unit in a low tier tournament? You see, it doesn't matter if Garret isn't doing good, it's if he is doing better, and he surely is. Ellen does not promote soon enough to be good combatively because Lugh, Clarine, and Rei all take president over her when promotion time comes. By the time she does promote her stats are rly suck and she's bad combatively anyway. Rank wise, Garret is beating her in Funds because he doesn't promote, tactics because the entire time he is there he can be of some use, and combat because he is killing whereas Ellen can only dodge blows for quite a while. The only rank that Ellen beats Garret in is experience, and it's not even by that much because she caps her level out so soon.
What's she doing then? Healing backline units?
You'd have to be pretty bad to make the team advance slower, so yay? Oh wait, she does make the team advance slower in situations that are heavy in mounter units and/or ranged units because she dies like a bitch. kk goodnight |
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