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+Ema Skye	Jul 27 2007, 02:34 PM
Snackoos = <3. It's science! Posts: 20,956 Group: Advisor Member #40 Joined: June 9, 2005	Quote: Cecilia has a 30/+2 support with Percival. Percival is a unit with excellent stats, but usually lacks full supports. If Cecilia is in play, he'll gladly take an A support with her for the wonderful Anima affinity bonuses. Lulz, no. Lalum and Klein are available to support Percival and they don't suck like Cecilia does. Anima affinity bonuses? They're not good with Dark, so that doesn't matter. Lalum actually gives better bonuses since she gives full Crit. Quote: Roy has B supports with Alan and Lance, leaving him with one more open slot for a C support. Cecilia and Roy only need to stand near each other for 20 turns to get the smexy benefits of an Anima-Fire support. Roy can also have a C with Lilina, Marcus, Sue, Thany, or Lalum. All of these units happen to be better than Cecilia and the Marcus and Thany supports start much earlier, and Lilina's is instant. Cecilia gives the best bonuses by a bit, but Roy having good bonuses for the whole game is better than having slightly better bonuses for a little over half of the game. And this is only a C we're talking about, anyways, so Roy will definitely snag one of these pplz before Cecilia exists. Quote: As for Garret. He has the shitty Wind affinity and he will be getting only A Gonzales. Also, note that the bonuses are mediocre. Only half of everything and full Crt and Crt evade. The Wind affinity is indeed shitty, but it helps out both him and Gonzales by gracing these axe users with a bit more Hit and even more Crit to make their Crit even more h4x. Gonzales is often going without an A support due to Lilina being balls, Bartre not existing most of the time, Dayan not joining until super late and sucking anyways, and Treck sometimes dying before you even recruit him. His second fastest support is with Garret, so he'll take Garret and get some needed Hit and even more Crit. Echidna is his B, as we both know... Quote: Cecilia has a better class. High mobility, experience bonus, 1~2 range, targets RES and can use staves. Garret only has that Crt bonus over her, and could have 1~2 range, but he needs to rape his Hit for that. Cecilia has much more advantages thanks to her class. She joins in a desert chapter, so there goes that high mobility in her joining situation. Cecilia will be at a higher level than Garret when Garret joins, so even with that EXP bonus, she's not helping the Experience rank any more than he is. She targets RES? Yes, with her amazing 11 MAG base with a 35% growth, she'll surely be doing heavy damage! And her h4x base of 10 SPD with a 25% growth ensures constant doubling. Only beasts like Marcus and Zealot manage to be faster! Garret joins with way more Atk, a bit more SPD, and a massive Crit lead. He's doing much better in Combat, which is a rank actually hard to S in this game. Indeed, her class is better. Too bad her stats are so massively sucky that Garret is better anyways. Quote: Having an extra healer is very useful. You can heal more units in the same turn, and thus, advance faster. She will often use Restore, since the annoying status staves appear very often in this game. Other high level staves can also be used by Cecilia. Saul and Clarine have your staves covered for the early game, and they actually don't suck massively due to having SPD. When Cecilia joins, the likes of Lugh and Ray are nearing promotion, so then lower level staves can be handled by them while higher level staves by the other two. And super late in the game, you can even have Niime handle staves better than Cecilia does. Quote: If you go to Sacae, Garret is obsolete. He misses a lot, so he's hurting the combat rank, and his durability is bad due to his low Def. Cecilia has utility on both routes. If you go to Sacae, Cecilia is even more obsolete due to being killed in a single phase by nomads and nomad troopers. Let's give her that C Roy, and be generous with a C Douglas since dragging Douglas into Sacae is usually a decent idea since he has nearly infinite durability and can do things like carry Roy around and such. Let's also give her a whole level every chapter even though she joins overleveled and sucks massively at fighting and is outclassed in healing by two other units that are at a lower level and will tend to get priority in staff usage. Cecilia: 20/8 w/ C Roy/C Douglas(Thunder/Elfire) HP: 34.2 Atk: 20.4/22.4 Hit: 108.3/103.3 Crit: 15/10 Atk Spd: 11.8 Evd: 45.4 Crit Evd: 18.8 Def: 9.4 Res: 15.8 Here be a nomad trooper, and there be many of these in Chapter 18. Average Nomad Trooper(Bow/Sword) HP: 43 Atk: 21/24 Hit: 119/109 Crit: 18/8 Atk Spd: 20/18 Evd: 49 Crit Evade: 9 Def: 12 Res: 7 So it's going to double her even with the steel sword, and it has a very low chance of missing with either weapon. It might as well be a definite hit when he uses the bow. It does 24 damage with the bow and 30 damage with the sword, leaving her in a state of near death in just one turn. All's it takes now is a single little nomad to attack her, and she dies. And the Def/Res difference is only 3-5 in Sacae, while Garret's Atk lead is much larger than that. Garret: 20/5 w/ C Gonzales(Iron/Killer/Hand) HP: 57.6 Atk: 30.3/33.3/29.3 Hit: 107.1/107.1/92.1 Crit: 43/73/43 Atk Spd: 12.2 Evd: 40.5 Crit Evd: 19.1 Def: 10.6 Res: 5.2 And you said Garret missed? There are situations where he's actually winning in Hit. He has more Def and almost double her HP, so unlike Cecilia, he's not easily dying in a single turn and can take hits. Even though Cecilia is attacking Res, Garret is outdamaging her by a lot. If he's fighting a sword user, he can use a swordreaver and easily rape it. On his turn, he can attack a nomad trooper with a killer axe and almost surely kill it. And Garret has the funds to do both. He doesn't need to be promoted and his weapon type is much cheaper than Cecilia's; in fact, Garret uses the cheapest weapon type. At 3 levels lower and with 1 less support, Garret is winning everywhere but Hit and Res constantly. After Sacae, Douglas is rendered worthless, and she's out a support, while Garret gains more supports. Garret will probably not catch up in levels due to the EXP bonus, but he won't be gaining less EXP because he's at a lower level. He's outperforming her even at a lower level. Quote: Cecilia is more friendly to your ranks and is more useful, overall. Which ranks? Garret actually kills, so he wins Combat. Garret uses a much cheaper weapon type, so he wins Funds. Garret kills things before they kill you and doesn't die himself, while Cecilia heals peoplez, so they might as well tie in Survival. Cecilia would win Tactics if she could actually use her high Mov without being raped, but she really can't, while Garret can move without instantly dying and can actually clear enemies away, so this is probably a tie.
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