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+Ema Skye	Sep 1 2007, 12:28 AM
Snackoos = <3. It's science! Posts: 20,959 Group: Advisor Member #40 Joined: June 9, 2005	Quote: He is nearly impervious to damage in most of Sacae. And tons and tons and tons better than Garret. He's also nearly not even able to reach enemies in Sacae. And tons and tons and tons worse offensively than Garret. Quote: If you rescue Roy with a unit that doesn't have 21 DEF, you are retarded. And if you use one of your good units to rescue Roy, you are retarded. Do you want Percival or Miledy, or someone like that to Rescue Roy? And then have the penality for carrying someone rape their stats? Uhhh, screw that. So, having Douglas rescue Roy is better than anything else you could possibly do. If you have one of your normal mounts rescue Roy, they will get eatten alive in Sacae. If you have one of your good units rescue Roy, their offense is raped and they no longer are any good. You could let Roy walk around with his 5 mov himself, but Roy gets teabagged that way. OR you can let a super tank, who also has 5 MOV, rescue Roy, keeping him out of harm's way, and allows your good units to focus on killing. No. You don't need 21 DEF to be immortal in Sacae. Percival, for instance, will have 19 or so, and tons of HP, and he can take every blow on the map at once and still survive. You can even rescue Roy with Alan, Miledy, Lance, etc. and still have a unit with top-notch durability that actually has mobility. Finishing the chapter in five or six turns >>> finishing in a dozen. Miledy and Alan are not doubling the Nomads anyways, so who cares if they get slower? It makes no difference. Except their offense is still better than Douglas's and they have mobility. They're also transfering support bonuses. They don't get eaten alive. At all. Miledy, like Douglas, would be completely impervious with the Delphi Shield, but still be able to hit things with swords and fly around. Alan is also fine. 20/5 Alan with A Lance will have 43.5 HP, 14.7 Def, and 45.5 Evd. The vast majority of the enemies are Nomads, so... Average Nomad HP: 35 Attack: 18 Hit: 116 Crit: 18 Attack Speed: 19 Avoid: 46 Crit Evade: 9 Defense: 7 Resistance: 5 Nomad vs Alan Dmg: 3.3 x 2 Hit: 70.5 Crit: 0 He needs to get 14 hit times to die. That means 7 Nomads have to swarm him, and all of them have to hit him when they don't even have 100 Hit or anywhere near that. He can counter with a Javelin, but so can Douglas. Alan vs Nomad Dmg: 21.3 Hit: 37.3 Crit: 1 Douglas vs Nomad Dmg: 18.6 Hit: 41.9 Crit: 0 Both suck. Now, Alan can do this on his turn... Alan w/ Slim Sword vs Nomad Dmg: 18.3 Hit: 77.3 Crit: 6 He can actually hit and kill on his turn with the weakest weapon in the game. Douglas can't because he can't use Swords for good Hit. All the while, Alan is transfering bonuses to Lance and he can actually double the Nomads often and kill them. And Alan is on a horse and getting Roy to the finish much sooner. He's also able to actually fight even with the SKL and SPD cuts. He's not dying. Alan/Lance/Miledy/Percival carrying Roy >>>> Douglas doing it. Quote: Miledy, Percival, and Lance can double Nomads, if noy by chapter 18, by chapter 19ish. Miledy wants to fight. Miledy wants to kill those Nomads in two hits. Personally, I think this arguement you are making here is absurd. "Because I don't want Douglas to have a purpose, I'm going to take my GOOD units, and make them bad, doing what Douglas does with no problem! It's brilliant!" Fuck no, they can't. Lance maybe, but not the other guys most likely. Miledy can't until she caps SPD, dude. And she can't ever double NTs unless they have their Steel Sword equipped, which they usually don't. Percival needs to be lucky to ever be able to double them, and doubling NTs can't happen. Tons of units are screwed in offense in this route, including your precious Miledy that you want to have fighting things and killing. She's not doubling, though. Too many other people are doing it better, and doing it without utterly raping Tactics and not raping Combat as hard. Quote: Only someone who is retarded would use someone other than Douglas to do this job. I want to S Tactics, Combat, and Experience...so I'm not fielding Douglas. Quote: In Sacae: Douglas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Garret, kthx, u cant dodge dat point Only in defense. Douglas has 18.2% of the time he's there to have any decency whatsoever counting the Ilia route, and he still sucks massively in Sacae. He can't kill. He rapes Combat. He rapes Experience even if he does kill something. Wow, he's abysmal. Quote: Garret has 43 Raw crit, Nomads have 8 LUK, so he comes out to have a crit rate of 35. However, Garret also has 63.1 (73 real) hit on them, or a 48 (46.56 real) with a hand axe. Now, what does this make Garret's actual chance of landing a Crit? Well, 25% actual chance to crit with an iron, and 16% actual chance to crit with a hand axe. Even with a Killer Axe, he has 47 actual crit. That is balls. You are actually gonna rely on a Crit like that? Fuck that, his Crit isn't nearly good enough in Sacae to save himself from his huge "I take 42-48 damage from 3 nomads" problem. Dieck with an Iron Sword has 100% hit (I think, or at least close to it) with an Iron Sword. So Dieck's Crit of 27 is actually better than Garret's actual crit. Clarine? Just about the same, I think. Not sure how to place her level, but she has about 25 or 26 Crit. And always Ranged, and attacks RES. Clarine and Dieck are both MUCH better at killing Nomads than Garret. I don't see why you want to lie about stuff in all your posts.... Yup. Them top tiers sure are outdoing low tier Garret. Indeed. Garret is MUCH better at killing ANYTHING IN THE ENTIRE GAME than Douglas is. Quote: Douglas' DEF>Sacae. Nomads, Nomad Troopers, Myrmidons, and Swordmasters. None of them damage Douglas. 18.2% of the time he exists. After Sacae, he's completely worthless. Garret can still fight Wyverns in 21 and 22 without sucking massively. Quote: ROFL, okay, he has less than 50% hit with a Hand Axe, and gets doubled. You can't even say his Crit saves him, due to him only having a 16% chance of actually landing a crit. So, Nomad attacks Garret. Nomad hits twice for like, 10 damage each. And then, he gets attacked by another one, doubled for 20 damage total. Then another one, for 20damage total. And he only has a 46% chance of actually hitting, let alone the 16% chance of critting? Garret is doing TERRIBLY in Sacae, you can't even argue he can somehow be doing better than Douglas. And guess what? Garret might have a bit more SKL than Douglas, but not a whole lot more hit, due to Lances being more accurate than Axes. Both have hit in the 40s. So Garret isn't even raping Douglas in offense, since neither double, and their hit is comparable. Much better than Douglas's 0% chance of killing something. Garret actually has a nice SKL lead on Douglas, as well as Hit from supports, so he has more than enough Hit to counter the 5 more Hit that lances have over axes. Quote: The majority of them, and plus, no, he doesn't have a high shot at OHKOing him. He needs to Crit to do that. Garret has 88 real hit on them with a Hand Axe, and 32 crit. 28% actual crit. And no doubling. Balls. Okay? Douglas has a 0% chance of killing them on a counter. Garret does double the Steel Lance ones, and even when he doesn't double, he has nearly 100 Hit with a Killer Axe and 62 Crit. Wait, Pegasus Knights have 11 LUK? Hmm. Well, anyways, he one-rounds Steel Lance guys with just an Iron Axe anyways... Quote: Its a whole lot worse than just about everyone else, including Douglas. Steel Lance Pegs do 1 damage to Douglas, when he has an Axe. Not dying = not dying. Garret isn't dying in Ilia. Not even close. Quote: Garret never gets supports. Both Gonzalez and Lalum have MUCHH better options than Garret. Douglas' supports...? Well, he gots Percy, and that is one of his fastest supports. Full crit off that support too, closing the offense gap. Full avoid too. If Douglas is fielded, he gets Percival A, no question. And even if someone like Lalum has an open spot, Douglas gets Lalum before Garret could ever get her. Douglas Lalum is 30/+3, while Garret Lalum is 1/+1. So, if fielded, Douglas actually has a rather decent chance at getting something like Lalum B as well. So, Douglas is CRUSHINGGGG Garret in supports. Nope. Garret has Gonzales easily. Who else does Gonzales have that isn't massive suck? It's just Echidna, and she has an A with Lalum, so that's only a B. Garret can get an A with Gonzales with later on, and a C and B earlier. Percival is a mounted God. Douglas is an immobile piece of metal that has no offense. Why would Percival wait for him to walk over to support him? Lalum also supports Percival two chapters sooner, so that makes up for the speed Douglas has over Percival. They'd hit a C at about the same time, and then Lalum is full, lol. Percival has Klein before Douglas, too. Starts sooner, so it finishes faster, and it gives Percival his most needed bonus in full; Hit. Klein is also way better than Douglas since he has offense and also doesn't die at all. 120% durability isn't better than 100% since both make the unit never die. Douglas crushes only the likes of Igrene or something in supports, but certainly not Garret. He at least has Gonzales for sure, and can pray for Lilina, Cath, or Lalum. He can also have a C with Lalum before Douglas, so it looks like Douglas is doomed to never support Lalum. A Echidna/C Garret/C Percival or something. Or even C Roy or C Geese. Wow, tons of options to fill her up before Douglas even exists. Douglas has to hope for Cecilia to have supports, lol. Quote: Change this to "Hits alot in a single blow, but doesn't double, and his actual Crit is much less than impressive". With Douglas' supports, Garret's Crit isn't even tons better than Douglas'. 20/20 Douglas w/ A Percival/B Lalum and a Killer Axe/Lance: 63.3 Crit 20/20 Garret w/ no supports and a Killer Axe: 70.125 Crit Even with Douglas's best and most generous possible supports and Garret having absolutely no supports, Garret is winning in Crit by 6.825. Too bad this never even happens. If Douglas is losing in his best possible scenerio, then a realistic one is going to make Garret crush him. 20/20 Garret w/ A Gonzales: 85.125 Crit Lol, raep even if Douglas has his ridiculous and overly generous supports. And if Garret has nobody else. Quote: Douglas joins when most of your other units are like, level 20/4 or 20/5. How is that overleveled? Garret joins as a level 1 Berserker when everyone else is either the same level as him or just waiting for the secret shop at the end of 16 to promote. Some units, like Rutger, Dieck, Clarine, Ellen, and various prepromoted units like Marcus, Zealot, and Klein will even be at a higher level. Garret is by no means overleveled, so killing things with him causes no damage to your Experience rank. Douglas joins as a level 8 General when everyone else is about 3 levels lower than him...and the difference is only that small when it comes to the likes of those higher leveled units I listed. The difference is much larger for most of your team. He's gaining a lot less EXP than your team. Garret wins Experience easily. Quote: If you decide to go Sacae, Garret sucks that entire half of the game. Douglas doesn't even shit on the game like Garret does. If you decide to field Douglas, he sucks forever. Douglas damages Tactics, Experience, and Combat no matter what you do with him. Quote: And in closing, judges, vote for Lukza if you would rather vote for a homosexual pedophile who doesn't bathe. I have a girlfriend and shower every morning. Quote: I have easily proved that Douglas is a great escort for Roy. And that Douglas is far and away the better unit when you go to Sacae. And in Ilia, although Garret doesn't die as easily, Douglas is still tanking like a badass and doing badass things. Quote: And I have proved just how much Douglas sucks at that one task you masturbate too. He's only better at living, and loses in offense massively. In Ilia, Douglas does nothing badass. He sucks. He has no offense even in the point of the game where everyone has the best possible offense against the enemies. Garret actually kills what he attacks. Fielding Douglas does damage to your Tactics, Experience, and Combat. Fielding Garret harms none of your ranks since he can actually fight and doesn't have the worst possible mobility in the game.
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