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Dark Holy Elf	Sep 4 2007, 12:26 AM
Posts: 11 Group: FEFFer Member #1,329 Joined: June 24, 2007	Quote: Florina has Fiora, who's pretty okaye, and also Ninian, who is pwn, but can't follow her around much and doesn't get much out of the support since Florina has an offensive affinity, and Ninian shouldn't be getting attacked much in the first place. The rest of her supports are pretty meh. She's about number 5 on Hector's list; Farina is underleveled and costs you 40k to recruit; Lyn has poor durability and is melee--not a good mix--and she promotes late and for 10k extra; Serra's support is extremely slow; and Nino doesn't even join until 28x, and she's unuseably underleveled. Two objections here: -Florina is certainly not #5 on Hector's list. She is below Eliwood and Oswin, yes. But who else? Serra and Farina are incredibly slow, so they're out. Matthew is reasonably fast but Thunder/Wind sucks (full crit bonuses, fear them) and Matthew himself likes to be off looting chests and won't be promoting, nor used in maps when thief utility isn't required most likely. Lyn is again Thunder/Wind, and supporting her with Hector doesn't make much sense. Since we're assuming Florina is in play, Lyn is obviously going to support Florina first, and she'll find lots of other partners before Hector (Eliwood, Kent, Rath) so you can pair her up with one of them while Hector gets Florina. That's still #3, which means she's relying on the non-play of Eliwood and Oswin, or for one of them to find two other supporters instead, but these conditions do happen, so the support is worth noting. -As for Lyn... if she's unuseable due to the expensive late promotion, then so is Eliwood and Florina's probably getting a support with Hector. If, more reasonably, she's perfectly useable, then there's no real problem. Yeah, her durability is subpar, but it's pretty much dead even with Rebecca's, so it's quite manageable. And her overall stats are just clearly some of the highest. I'd certainly default to assuming her as one of Florina's supports since it's so amazingly fast. Quote: Rebecca has three good supports, and the one with Lowen is especially helpful to him; and Fiora has two decent supports, though the one with Ninian isn't very helpful to her. Should that Fiora be Florina? Anyway, Florina is obviously Fiora's top choice for a support (fastest + matches mobility). Florina is also Lyn's top choice (2/22/42 = win). Ninian you've already discussed, Hector I have. Quote: The first 2 chapters after Florina joins are bad for her. Chapter 16 has ballistae and a few bows, and ch 17 is even worse as it's packed with Archers and even has a few Nomads. On the other hand, absolutely everything is bad for Rebecca when she first joins. 17 HP / 3 Def makes her the frailest combat unit in Eliwood/Hector mode at starting stats. That's similar to what folks like Lyn and Erk and Lucius have in Lyn Mode, except that not only do they fight weaker enemies, they all at least have offence. 4 Str / 6 Spd is trash. So Rebecca has really sucky offence and really sucky defence when she joins, and it's only starting to become manageable by the time Florina joins. Being sucky <<< not being there at all. The corresponding levels for Florina are spent in Lyn Mode where she is your only flyer (ensuring her utility use at worst) and is easy to level up because LHM enemies suck. Quote: Offensively, they're more or less the same, except Rebecca raeps the Pegs. Rebecca is great against Pegs, but Florina's going to be one-rounding them too - Pegs are frail. Only ones she might have trouble with is the ones with Slim Lances. Sure, Rebecca can't be countered, but she also can't counter them, whereas Florina can. At least Florina can dodge counters herself, with a Javelin (which incidentally, doubles the ones with Steel Lances). In general, Florina is just much more useful offensively because of her multiple types of range available. Rebecca is notably more durable against bows. Florina is notably more durable against swords and magic. Pretty sure that's advantage Florina, though if you want to count up all the enemies and prove me wrong, be my guest - it's close anyway. Quote: Laterz, They're about the same offensively except Florina's con sucks, so she can't use anything but Iron Swords without AS loss. Of course, if Florina has Lyn instead of Ninian, then she can get faster than Rebecca and still keep the Atk gap close with an Iron Sword. And as you said, even this advantage lasts only until Florina can use the Killing Edge. 25 attacks (15 with Iron Sword, 10 with Iron Blade)? Those will be done in hardly any time at all. And regardless, Florina now has the weapon triangle on her side. Against swordsmen and axemen she has +1 Attack/Def and +15 Hit/Avoid. This brings her avoid up to Rebecca's level for avoid against these people. She's obviously better against mages due to better Res (and Crit Avoid for Luna). So Rebecca's only even managing to hold her own against lancemen and archers - against everything else, Florina has the clear upper hand. Florina still has far superior targetting options (range 1 + range 1-2 >>> range 2), still has two extra move, still flies, still has mounted rescuing, etc. Throughout, Florina has superior concrete durability, too. It's just a pretty clear win, even before considering the massive utility advantages Florina's flight provides.


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