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180degrees	Sep 8 2007, 10:14 PM
youngbaesol<3 Posts: 2,180 Group: Veteran Member #180 Joined: June 16, 2005	Quote: Ok. If Lachesis goes there, this pretty much confirms she gets almost no experience in this chapter. Same for Fury. You're not gonna send her to fight those knights anyways. And if she's only used to kill off little enemies, that's basically babying. But, as I said, you don't have to send Lachesis up there. Quote: "takes a long time?"? What are you taking about? The rest of your army is still moving back from the northwest part of the map. It takes about the same time to move back your army and for Levin to reach them using the main road. What main road are you talking about? He still has all that forest to move through and the walk to the base, making him lose valuable experience. Quote: Perfect playthroughs mean S rank so every unit is recruited. And you want to pair Fury anyway. Yes, and so what I mentioned before still applies. She's pretty much useless by the time you get her. Name one mob that she could help out in without being babied. Pair Fury? We aren't talking about second gen. That's why I haven't mentioned the fact that Lachesis' kids get Holy Blood no matter what, while Fury's kids don't. Quote: Fury buying it is a waste of money? Did you forgot that the Thief sword gives you moneyz every time you attack? Fury gets more money thanks to the Thief sword. It's like an investment. So you're gonna be babying her by having her attack enemies with the Thief Sword for money? Waste of time and exp. She should be using other weapons to actually KILL an enemy and earn experience. So she doesn't use the Thief Sword, that Lachesis receives in the first place, "Better". Quote: The knights are incredibly dumb. If you send Lachesis to the frontline, where she heals the wounded, they will do something stupid like getting in range of various enemies or attacking the boss. Lachesis has to stay back so her knights do the same. The knights move themselves. If an enemy is somewhere on the map, they will go and attack those enemies. They only surround Lachesis when there are no attackable enemies on the map. This is true for most cases, as the game is pretty undecided when it comes to these things. Quote: I specifically said I was talking about bases. And besides, Lachesis will only catch up in Strenght by level 16, and Fury still has the advantage of having pursuit until Lachesis promotes, so Fury is still winning offense. And Fury should have a level lead since you are sending Lachesis to save villages and not fight. Lachesis isn't fighting for experience, so that's pointless. Lachesis' experience comes from healing, as I've mentioned many times. I never said Lachesis has to be saving villages. I just said that she could go save the villages and still be usable in the later chapters. Unlike Fury, who is basically useless if she doesn't keep up with the main army's levels. Lachesis also receives the Knight Ring, which she can choose to keep so she moves much faster. If she wants more experience, she can sell it and buy the Elite Ring for faster exp. Quote: Level 21 Lachesis with silver axe has 2.8 speed. Way to ruin her offense. And no, she isn't taking hero axe. Lex needs it so his offense is good, and there is not a reason you don't want Lex to level up. She can OHKO as well. Give her any other weapon and she'll be one-rounding. And in any case, Lex will be level 30 by the time Lachesis promotes so he can just send his Hero Axe over. It'd be a waste of to leave it on him as he can't pass it on anyways. You'll need Lex for good ranks at the first few chapters. Lachesis basically takes over his job and cleans things up in the last chapters. Quote: Sigurd has his silver sword and later on he gets Tyrfing. You don't want him to waste money in an unecessary weapon. He it for repairing the Tyrfing. He gets the Tyrfing the last chapter. Yeah, way to go! Quote: Noishe is only able to attack twice with Hero spear. Fury can attack 4 times. Fury is the better user Fury needs 4 hits to finish an enemy, Noish doesn't. Fury averages 14.2 strength, Noish 20.2. He leads by a whole 6 points. That's pretty big difference there.~~oh and btw, lachesis has more~~ Quote: Lachesis has so much weapon variety she doesn't need it. Um...I think that's against your argument. Anyways, if you leave it on Finn, he'll have a proper weapon to deal with enemies in the second gen where he's protecting Nanna and Finn. Quote: huh? where did the 7 come from? Elaborate, plz. It's an exaggeration. I basically meant that Fury isn't pulling any hard punches. Quote: Ethlin is better during the time she's there thanks to being a mobile healer. Edain can use stuff like Libro and other cool staves. And she starts with relieve, whis is better than Lachesis' live staff. Theb you'll get Claude, who is only good for healing, Levin promotes and gets staves. Same with Fury, but she also ignores terrain so she can reach wounded units more easily than Lachesis. Guess, what. Lachesis gets an A in staves once she promotes. Which means she can use all the staves Edain can. Edain has 5 movement, Lachesis has 9, up to 11 with Knights Ring. Once Ethlin leaves, Lachesis becomes your primary mounted healer. Fury is basically unneeded(stuck with a C level in staves=sad). If Lachesis can't reach far enough, she has her Libro Staff to heal with. She can also use the Warp Staff, Rescue Staff, Recover Staff, Reserve Staff, etc. So basically, Fury is average in terms of Offense and Healing. Lachesis is above par in both. She won't be easily shot down either, thanks to her Prayer Sword(which is especially useful in her previous class). Oh, and her Charisma which gives her +10 avoid. Quote: Good job ignoring the stat comparison in my first post. Fury has a total of 146.5 points at Level 21. Lachesis has 148.8. Lachesis leads my 2.3 points. By level 30, Fury has 163.3 while Lachesis has 167.2. Lachesis now leads by 3.9. Where's your point? If you want to so badly, let's compare their stats at level 21. Fury on the left, Lachesis is on the right. HP: 39.5/37.4 - not much of a lead for Fury. Really. :/ Strength: 14.2/22.5 - yeah, I'm sure that Fury is a better offensive unit.[/sarcasm] >_> Magic: 9.5/8.5 - Fury is basically outclassed anyways. She can only use Staves that heal one person, while Lachesis can heal from afar and also heal a whole range of people, not to mention cast spells on them. Skill: 18.0/17.9 - Not much difference here so I'll skip this. Speed: 25.5/20.6 - Fury's speed lead doesn't help her much at all if she can barely scratch the enemy. Not to mention that Lachesis is already fast enough to be doubling her enemies as well. Defense: 14.5/17.8 - That's just sad. Fury is a better unit than Lachesis? Not no more, bish. Resistance: 15.5/10.9 - Alright so Fury leads. That's good for her. Lachesis can OHKO most magic units anyways so yeah. She doesn't really need Resistance in the first place. >_> Luck: 10.0/12.6 - Fury loses again. Basically, the only time Lachesis will be fighting is after her promotion so this is the only time I'll be comparing the two. Again, if it hasn't been brought up enough, Lachesis depends on healing for levels 1-20. Fury depends on weak hits...that takes her a lot more experience to level...that involves babying. Note: I didn't include the special convo with Beowulf that actually increases her stats. Quote: Having the best class =/= having better offense. Fury gets continue and Hero spear. Before promotion, it wasn't even close. Lachesis doesn't battle before promotion. Hero Lance can also be used by Lachesis; more effectively, may I add, as she does more damage. Quite a lot more damage. 8.3 more base damage. Get the point? Quote: Fury becomes a better healer. thanks to a bit more magic and ignoring terrain so she can reach units faster. Lachesis doesn't need to avoid terrain. She has her l33t h4x Reserve and Libro staves. Fury becomes a better healer how? She couldn't heal at all during her times as a Peg. Knight. Lachesis has always been the better healer. Explain your logic. I've forgotten to mention that Fury is weak against bows. Instant critical if hit. And the fact that there are many ballistaes in the game doesn't help. Lachesis is only weak against knight killers, but that's only during the second class. The only knight killer that appears before that is when she's still un-promoted. Lachesis is basically your badass girl who can heal and attack. ~~Not to mention, she cheats on Beowulf and has fun with Finn. Slutty power, ftw. I mean, how can you say no to THIS!~~ ps. You seem to have totally dodged the fact that Lachesis receives the Earth Sword from her brother. Scared? I dare you to challenge me. Just some things to mention before quitting. If you don't talk to Eltosian, you have to kill him. He'll own your whole army.
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