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Big Boss	Sep 9 2007, 01:43 PM
Posts: 650 Group: FEFFer Member #890 Joined: August 19, 2006	Quote: Same for Fury. You're not gonna send her to fight those knights anyways. And if she's only used to kill off little enemies, that's basically babying. But, as I said, you don't have to send Lachesis up there. Why not? She should go along with the rest of your team to fight those knights and stuff. Quote: What main road are you talking about? He still has all that forest to move through and the walk to the base, making him lose valuable experience. I'm refering to once he got to the main base and recruited Fury. Levin ises the arena to get some levels while your main team finishes crushing the northwest castle, and they are returning back. Levin moves as if he wants to go to Nodion, then catch up with your army where the path splits in two, where one road goes to the northeast. Quote: Yes, and so what I mentioned before still applies. She's pretty much useless by the time you get her. Name one mob that she could help out in without being babied. Pair Fury? We aren't talking about second gen. That's why I haven't mentioned the fact that Lachesis' kids get Holy Blood no matter what, while Fury's kids don't. She isn't really being babied. As I mentioned before, lots of units aren't killing in one round. Having 1 more combat unit, especially if she's a flier is always good. While the second generation doesn't directly affect our debaet, my point is that there is no reason for killing Fury. Quote: So you're gonna be babying her by having her attack enemies with the Thief Sword for money? Waste of time and exp. She should be using other weapons to actually KILL an enemy and earn experience. So she doesn't use the Thief Sword, that Lachesis receives in the first place, "Better". The Thief sword is very useful for attacking stuff like the weak bandits who try to destroy villages and carry 5000G, and Fury is much better than Lachesis at this because by flying she can reach the enemy faster. Waste of exp? If she attacks, she gets exp, so I don't know what you are talking about. Then, with only 1 attack of thief sword, she steals all the gold from the enemy, and during the next turn she can switch to a more powerful weapon and kill. Lachesis' offense before promotion sucks regardless of weapon because her lack of pursuit. Quote: The knights move themselves. If an enemy is somewhere on the map, they will go and attack those enemies. They only surround Lachesis when there are no attackable enemies on the map. This is true for most cases, as the game is pretty undecided when it comes to these things. yeah, exactly. If you move Lachesis where there are enemies, the knights will do something stupid. And since Lachesis needs to be near the frontlines to heal... Quote: Lachesis isn't fighting for experience, so that's pointless. Lachesis' experience comes from healing, as I've mentioned many times. I never said Lachesis has to be saving villages. I just said that she could go save the villages and still be usable in the later chapters. Unlike Fury, who is basically useless if she doesn't keep up with the main army's levels. Lachesis also receives the Knight Ring, which she can choose to keep so she moves much faster. If she wants more experience, she can sell it and buy the Elite Ring for faster exp. Okay, if Lachesis is only getting experience from healing, her situation is even worse, since experience gotten from combat>>experience gotten from healing and since there are better healers around, Lachesis isn't even healing that much. Fury can fight reliably because she doubles and other units don't kill in one round. Btw, Lachesis is not the only one who can get the Elite ring. Since Fury gets the thief sword, she gan get money to buy it. Quote: She can OHKO as well. Give her any other weapon and she'll be one-rounding. And in any case, Lex will be level 30 by the time Lachesis promotes so he can just send his Hero Axe over. It'd be a waste of to leave it on him as he can't pass it on anyways. You'll need Lex for good ranks at the first few chapters. Lachesis basically takes over his job and cleans things up in the last chapters. Nah, enemies in FE4 have good HP, she she doesn't one round, even with silver axe. Well, maybe she one rounds some mages, but Fury also kills them in one round so it doesn't matter. Not to mention Lachesis kills her avoid if she equips that. Lex may be level 30, so what? that doesn't mean he should be ditched. He is still an excellent unit. Training him so you bench him after=lol Quote: He gets the Tyrfing the last chapter. Yeah, way to go! Your point? He needs as much money as possible to repair it, he shouldn't waste it buying an uneeded weapon. Besides, he can't even pass it down. Quote: Fury needs 4 hits to finish an enemy, Noish doesn't. Fury averages 14.2 strength, Noish 20.2. He leads by a whole 6 points. That's pretty big difference there.oh and btw, lachesis has more Noishe will only attack twice with Hero spear, thanks to no pursuit, so Fury is potentially dealing more damage. And money is not an issue because of the thief sword and arena. Like before, Noishe may not even pass it down. Quote: Um...I think that's against your argument. Anyways, if you leave it on Finn, he'll have a proper weapon to deal with enemies in the second gen where he's protecting Nanna and Finn. Finn will be promoted, so he'll be fine, even with an iron lance. It's better in fact, bacause he can act like a Jeigan ang give Leaf and Nanna some easy kills. Quote: It's an exaggeration. I basically meant that Fury isn't pulling any hard punches. Baseless claim, indeed. Especially considering how Fury will start to land criticals once her weapons have 50 kills, and she lands multiple hits if she has the hero spear and additionally, she has a good chance of activating continue after promotion. Quote: Guess, what. Lachesis gets an A in staves once she promotes. Which means she can use all the staves Edain can. Edain has 5 movement, Lachesis has 9, up to 11 with Knights Ring. Once Ethlin leaves, Lachesis becomes your primary mounted healer. Fury is basically unneeded(stuck with a C level in staves=sad). If Lachesis can't reach far enough, she has her Libro Staff to heal with. She can also use the Warp Staff, Rescue Staff, Recover Staff, Reserve Staff, etc. So basically, Fury is average in terms of Offense and Healing. Lachesis is above par in both. She won't be easily shot down either, thanks to her Prayer Sword(which is especially useful in her previous class). Oh, and her Charisma which gives her +10 avoid. Guess what? With a C, Fury can use relieve, which is all she will ever need. I fail to see how a C in staves is sad, especially since the better staves will be in hands of Edain, since she fails at combat and healing is pretty puch her only source of experience. Btw, Charisma doesn't benefit Lachesis. Quote: Fury has a total of 146.5 points at Level 21. Lachesis has 148.8. Lachesis leads my 2.3 points. By level 30, Fury has 163.3 while Lachesis has 167.2. Lachesis now leads by 3.9. Where's your point? Lol, total stats. Total stats don't matter. What matters is how they are distributed, so let's see... Quote: HP: 39.5/37.4 - not much of a lead for Fury. Really. :/ Quote: Defense: 14.5/17.8 - That's just sad. Fury is a better unit than Lachesis? Not no more, bish. Defense and HP are as important. An enemy needs like 54 Atk OHKO both. And Fury has more RES, and about 5 more speed, which translates to 10 avoid. Lachesis only has about 2 luck to counter that. Fury is easily better defensively. Quote: Strength: 14.2/22.5 - yeah, I'm sure that Fury is a better offensive unit.[/sarcasm] >_> Quote: Speed: 25.5/20.6 - Fury's speed lead doesn't help her much at all if she can barely scratch the enemy. Not to mention that Lachesis is already fast enough to be doubling her enemies as well. 5 Speed and continue>>>6 attack. Especially since at this point you should start landing criticals. 5 Speed is particularly significant since weapon weight is directly substracted from speed, giving Fury a nice advantage as far as doubling goes. And since you like to give Lachesis Silver axes, that completely kills her speed. Quote: Basically, the only time Lachesis will be fighting is after her promotion so this is the only time I'll be comparing the two. Again, if it hasn't been brought up enough, Lachesis depends on healing for levels 1-20. Fury depends on weak hits...that takes her a lot more experience to level...that involves babying. I c wut u did thar. You keep ignoring my first comparison because Fury wins there. And since Lachesis depends on healing so much, that means Fury is getting a nice level lead, making her even better. Also, you seem to think that not killing in one round=needing babying. Well, this is quite false since lots of units aren't killing in 1 round. Quote: Lachesis doesn't battle before promotion. Hero Lance can also be used by Lachesis; more effectively, may I add, as she does more damage. Quite a lot more damage. 8.3 more base damage. Get the point? Also, Lachesis can't pass it down. And since Lachesis is leveling much slower because healing only gives her 12 exp, IIRC, Fury is promoting sooner. Fury will be using the hero spear before Lachesis even promotes. Quote: Lachesis doesn't need to avoid terrain. She has her l33t h4x Reserve and Libro staves. Fury becomes a better healer how? She couldn't heal at all during her times as a Peg. Knight. Lachesis has always been the better healer. Explain your logic. Lachesis' range with Libro and Reserve is quite poor, compared to the likes of Edain and Claude, she shouldn't be using them. I never said Fury was better healer before promotion. I said once she promotes she wins because of reaching units easily and healing for a bit more. Quote: I've forgotten to mention that Fury is weak against bows. Instant critical if hit. And the fact that there are many ballistaes in the game doesn't help. Lachesis is only weak against knight killers, but that's only during the second class. The only knight killer that appears before that is when she's still un-promoted. Ballistaes also have bad hit, so Fury can dodge those easily. And against the unusuall bowmen, she uses her hit and run to attack and get out of their range. Quote: You seem to have totally dodged the fact that Lachesis receives the Earth Sword from her brother. Scared? I dare you to challenge me. Just some things to mention before quitting. If you don't talk to Eltosian, you have to kill him. He'll own your whole army. yeah, she gets the Earth sword, but Lachesis isn't attacking in the first place, right? Overall, Fury is better defensively, has great offense and healing abilities after promotion. She's also your only flyer during the first generation, which gives her a more unique role.
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