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Super Saiyan SolidSense	Sep 12 2007, 05:17 PM
Posts: 896 Group: FEFFer Member #1,311 Joined: June 15, 2007	Buena suerte, señor Snake. Rebecca vs. Marcus. To begin, let’s examine Supports, as there’s quite a big discrepancy between the two in that category. Rebecca has Dart, Wil, Louise, Nino, Lowen, Sain, and Raven. Lowen—with a Rebecca Support, he’s one of the most durable units in the game. In addition, unlike your other tank, Oswin, Lowen has mobility. Not only is Lowen a good unit, but Lowen x Rebecca is Fire x Fire, which is desirable to Lowen since he wants offensive boosts as much as possible. Sain—another good character, with high Strength and a good Kent Support. He’s lacking in a second Support option, however (Serra is rarely played due to the presence of Priscilla, Priscilla herself has too many other options, Fiora prefers Kent and Florina due to better bonuses if she’s played, Isadora and Louise are not impressive), so Rebecca works nicely for him. Raven—one of the best characters in the game. Wil and Bartre are useless and Priscilla wants Erk and Guy (both of whom are good units) due to better bonuses, so he definitely wants a Rebecca Support. Dart—Yes, he costs 50k. However, a lot of that is offset due to the availability of the Silver Card. Dart has good stats, with high Strength and Speed, so he’s definitely a valid choice. A Fire x Fire Support is useful to him due to Hit and Avo. Wil/Louise/Nino—I won’t pretend these units are anything but garbage. However, let it be quickly noted that they all lack sufficient Supports, and Fire is a killer affinity, so they wouldn’t mind a Rebecca Support were they ever played and were Rebecca ever free. Marcus has Lowen, Eliwood, Isadora, Harken, and Merlinus. Lowen—Lowen vastly prefers A Rebecca/B Eliwood. FirexFire and FirexAnima >>> FirexIce due to the grants of Atk/Crit (and Hit for FirexFire), which Lowen severely needs. Eliwood—Eliwood wants A Hector/B Lowen. His Hector Support is uber fast and Lowen grants Atk, which Eliwood would prefer to more Def as he his defensive parameters are already good. Isadora—similar to Wil/Louise/Nino, Isadora is not very good. Merlinus—the impracticality of this Support should be obvious, as Merlinus doesn’t move for the majority of the game. Harken—It’s not likely to get past a C due to the late starting time, so whatever. It doesn’t matter. So, Rebecca has Dart, Lowen, Sain, and Raven, all of whom greatly desire her as a Support option, whereas Marcus only has Harken lategame, which holds little significance. Rebecca’s Supports are clearly better than Marcus’. Let’s do an endgameish stat check. 20/10 Rebecca, A Lowen/B Dart Killer Bow: 30.2 Atk, 154 Hit, 70 Crit, 22.7 AS \| 37.8 HP, 88.4 Avo, 9.2 Def, 11.4 Res Silver Bow: 35.2 Atk, 154 Hit, 40 Crit, 23.7 AS \| 37.8 HP, 90.4 Avo, 9.2 Def, 11.4 Res 20/12 Marcus, C Harken Killer Axe: 29.3 Atk, 115.65 Hit, 42.25 Crit, 13.8 AS \| 38.1 HP, 43.9 Avo, 11.6 Def, 11.8 Res Silver Axe: 33.3 Atk, 120.65 Hit, 12.25 Crit, 13.8 AS \| 38.1 HP, 43.9 Avo, 11.6 Def, 11.8 Res Lol, Rebecca leads in Atk, Hit, Crit, AND AS as far as offense and then she has a massive Avoid lead compared to Marcus’ measly 2-point Def lead and 1-point HP lead. And then Rebecca is benefiting her Support partners more. This isn’t a light thing—granting a total of 25 Avoid, 25 Crit, 5 Atk, and 25 Hit (to two units who could use it, no less) is the equivalence of using several Speedwings, Goddess Icons, Secret Books, and Energy Rings. Just to get that Avoid, either 6-7 Speedwings or 12-13 Goddess icons would have to be used. Then 25 Secret Books for that Crit. 2-3 Energy Rings for that Atk. That many statboosters don’t even _exist_ in this game. Rebecca is winning here. Let’s rewind back to midgame. I’ll be generous to Marcus’ level and assume that he reaches 20/6 by this time, despite being a detriment to EXP Rank. 20/1 Rebecca, A Lowen/B Dart Killer Bow: 26.6 Atk, 131 Hit, 67.8 Crit, 17.3 AS \| 32.4 HP, 73.1 Avo, 7.8 Def, 8.7 Res 20/6 Marcus Killer Axe: 27.5 Atk, 104.8 Hit, 39 Crit, 12.2 AS \| 34.2 HP, 33.9 Avo, 10.7 Def, 9.8 Res Rebecca is leading in Hit, Crit, and AS by significant amounts vs. Marcus' Atk lead of 1, so she’s taking it offensively. Let me emphasize the AS a moment, though. Marcus can only double enemies that have 8 or less AS, whereas Rebecca can double anything that has 13 or less AS. Even the fastest enemies have at most ~12-13 AS at this time, so Rebecca is doubling everything, compared to Marcus, who can’t double anything that has over 8 AS. Quite a big margin. Defensively, 2 HP, 3 Def, and 1 Res <<<<<< ~40 Avoid. And Rebecca’s benefiting those Support partners here, as well, so it’s clear who’s winning. Rebecca has both midgame and lategame. Before you make arguments concerning Marcus' earlygame utility, let me intercept you in saying that whatever "earlygame usefulness" Marcus possesses spears itself upon the massive EXP detriment that you face when using him therein. I expect you to say something along the lines of, “But he helps the other ranks!” I’ll admit that he does, to a certain extent, help the early Tactics/Survival ranks, you’re right. However, using Marcus also requires using EXP fillers—most of whom, due to their underlevelledness, are not great at combat, so in turn they’re _hurting_ your Tactics/Survival ranks later on (hard to keep alive + need to have kills set up for them). Not only that, but using a filler means that your main party is losing out on EXP, so Marcus is indirectly lowering the party’s levels later on, a further strain on Tactics/Survival (lower stats = harder to satisfy ranks). This negates his earlygame benefit. Basically, to summarize this outline, Rebecca slaughters Marcus statistically midgame and lategame, and during the only time where he could possibly have had a win due to Jeigan utility, earlygame, he’s being detrimental to your EXP Rank (and his traded benefit is largely negated, as well, due to the later use of fillers). As soon as she builds her first Support level, she has a massive advantage over Marcus (giving others Support bonuses = win, and it only continues to increase until it levels off at 5 levels), as well, and from there on it’s downhill for the old man. Rebecca > Marcus. EDIT: Fixed an error.
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