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*Sentenal*	Sep 16 2007, 03:12 PM
When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. Posts: 15,616 Group: FEFF Emperor Member #1 Joined: May 16, 2005	Damn, I really fucked up lol. I could have sworn it was pursuit, and 4 more AS. >_> I've practically lost this now, but I'm going to at least try. Quote: He's still getting an extra hit in, which is good enough. Charge isn't going to kill you unless you are up against something with massive attacking power, because it cannot trigger unless you have over 25HP. Since Beowulf can retreat fairly easily and get a heal, Charge is much much more a good thing than a bad thing. He is still eating an extra hit, making him that much more easy to kill. If it is forcing Beowulf to retreat, since he took an extra hit, that is a bad thing. Quote: Yep, Holyn getting Moonlight hit on a General would probably be quite beneficial, but if you really want Beowulf to stand up against those he can take up an Armor Cutter from Chapter 3, and with his multi-hit skills he'll do quite well anyway. On the downside of Moonlight Hit, if you're fighting an enemy with a ton of HP and little defense it is Charge that makes more of a difference in damage output. Or Holyn with an Armorcutter, and activating Moonlight hit, wtf rapes the shit out of them. Quote: It does help your EXP rank as well as demonstrate that a level/stat gap isn't really a very big one especially if it's only 6 levels. All I see benifiting here is the EXP rank. EXP rank is helped. But Holyn is doing better in combat. And with people like Lex around, the elite ring, and people like Lachesis, the EXP rank really isn't that hard. Combat is much more valuable. And with superior stats, comes superior combat. Quote: And from there you'll want Holyn to stop stealing too many kills because you have some other units to promote, and a L20 Holyn is gaining shitty EXP. He gains only 10 EXP from a L10 enemy. Beowulf can probably promote around the time you are facing Elthsan, if not then he can rack up some more EXP on the pirates from Orgahil and promote before Chapter 4 begins. Then he can totally clear the arena's of Chapter 4 and 5, so Holyn only got to beat 2 more of them. A promoted Holyn is one of your boss killers. Like, a level 20 Holyn has these stats: HP: 48.8 STR: 21.4 MAG: 3.4 SKL: 25.4 SPD: 21.4 DEF: 15.4 RES: 4.4 LUK: 2.6 At the end of chapter 2, Beowulf would be like, level 15ish? HP: 42.8 STR: 16.4 MAG: 0 SKL: 13.4 SPD: 12.8 DEF: 11.8 RES: 0.3 LUK: 4.2 No way you look at this, Holyn is doing much better here as well. MUCH better. By the time Beowulf promotes, lets put Holyn at level 22. HP: 51 STR: 22 MAG: 3.5 SKL: 26.5 SPD: 22 DEF: 16 RES: 4.5 LUK: 3 And the promoted Beowulf: HP: 46.8 STR: 19.4 MAG: 0 SKL: 24.4 SPD: 20.3 DEF: 15.3 RES: 3.5 LUK: 5.2 The gap closes a bit, but Holyn is still clearly superior. We have Chapter 2 and 3, where Holyn is preforming better than Beowulf. Beowulf needs to make up for it in 4 and 5, if he wants to win. He needs to. Quote: The stat gap was never really big: very early on it is 6 HP, 1 Str, 9 Skl, 7 Spd, 2 def and 1 res over a point of Luk. It may look like a lot until you realize both are DAing everything and hardly ever missing, making both Holyn's Spd and Skl leads a lot less spectacular. The differences between the two will not be noticed nearly as much as the insane amount of utility being mounted gives Beowulf, and in the endgame Beowulf is actually even winning in combat thanks to a new skill and even more movement. You can notice the SKL advantage, since that ties to Moonlight hit. 20% chance of ignoring DEF in chapter 2, and gets as high as 27% chance of ignoring DEF in chapter 3-5. And with Holyn's promotion, what was 1 STR in Holyn's favor before, gets turned into alot more now. Holyn gets 5 STR on promotion. Beowulf gets 1. And, I'm going to drive that SPD to my favor, I don't give a damn about what I have to do to do it. Steel Blade. With a Steel Blade, Holyn would have 12.2 AS in chapter 2. Beowulf, if he used a Steel Blade, would have 5 AS when you get him, and about 6ish by the end of the chapter. Beowulf has 24 Atk with his Steel Sword against the Free Knights he comes with. Holyn with a Steel Blade has 31.2 Atk. Beowulf doesn't double with one, Holyn does. Those Swordfighters with 10 AS? Owait, one group that didn't change from my previous post. Beowulf would need at least 14 SPD (11 AS) to double them, with a Steel Sword. He won't be able to do that, not for a while! Holyn? His 12.2 AS with a Steel Blade lets him double, for TONS of damage. 24 atk once, against 31.2 atk TWICE. Does still not SPD not matter? Those Cavaliers, 6 AS. Needs 7 AS to double them, and in order to double with a Steel Blade, Beowulf needs to be level 13. But he doubles with a Steel Sword. So, 25~ Atk twice, against 32~ Atk twice. 14 more damage per round. Having enough SPD to use heavier weapons is nice, isn't it? So, while Beowulf will double as much, how bout this: Holyn can use heavier, more powerful weapons, like the Steel Blade, and have his doubling game uneffected. Beowulf cannot do the same, not until later. So the stat lead isn't minor. Not by any means. Quote: Silesia has forests, but not so much that Beowulf won't be running circles around Holyn. You don't have to cross more than one forest square in a row ever in that chapter unless you specifically want to sneak through them, and during the second half of the chapter (going to Silesia castle and then to Zaxon) there are no forests at all. However, Beowulf is benefitting more from all the roads that go through the entire chapter, as well as every single other road so far (and Ch2 and Ch3 do have plenty of those) so yeah. Then you factor in that Holyn also has to cross the same forests and his move is cut as well - their netto movement through forests should be about the same, but Beowulf is winning everywhere else. What, you wouldn't want to use forests to your advantage? The fact that Forests erase any MOV lead that Beowulf has on Holyn, means that Holyn's superior stats make Holyn... superior, since all Beowulf has pretty much is mobility. You would WANT to make use of forests. Forests=good, defensive bonuses. And forests nullify the MOV lead that Beowulf has. Quote: Except the desert, but even your godly lord Sigurd is having trouble getting through that desert. But he does have to brand his Tyrfing on the Freege army or at least pass through the area even if you're letting Levin do all the work, because Sigurd has to talk to Ida (the Velthomer boss who gives the command to attack Reptor). So if you have to wait for Sigurd to cross the sand anyway, Beowulf isn't making your life any slower. Not all tiles are desert ones either: some are regular sand ones on which Beowulf is still outrunning Holyn. Even if you were to insist that Beowulf is too big of a drag in the desert, he can afford to stay at Phinora or even Lubeck and finish up repairing weapons and trading rings so his son doesn't have to waste money. Beowulf is a drag there, Holyn isn't, so advantage to Holyn. Quote: Finally, I'd like to address Holyn's biggest weakness: genes. These days, genetical substances simply cannot be ignored, what with all the ethical debates about them. I'd like to point out that, when Holyn is doing the horizontal tango with Ayra, his greatest flaw is exposed. Not then, but several years later. You, the tactician, will look at your cute lil kids as they come out of Tinalogue or whatever the hell that town is called. And you will gasp in horror: Skakasha has black hair! Holyn does not even pass his hair color to his child! What a weakling, he cannot even break through a girl's genetical construction! Well, lets be fair here. Beowulf wouldn't be able to conquer Ira's hair. Not even Lex can do that. Quote: Before you say the same about Beowulf, note that Beowulf is sexing up Lachesis. Lachesis has access to not one but three males according to the canon of this game: our sexy mate Beowulf, Fin and :incest: Elthsan. The mix of four juices within Lachesis' pit of doom allows nobody to predict whatever happens to the genetical construction of the children. Therefore, Beowulf is not to blame for Delmud's odd hairdo or color. wtf lol what the hell is wrong with you? Anyway, in closing: Chapter 2 and 3, Beowulf is clearly superior. Chapter 4 and 5 it is close. I still maintain that Holyn's better offense, even if it is slight, make him better, although being mounted and closer stats certainly makes a case for Beowulf in these chapters. But, being clearly superior in two chapters, is better than being arguably superior in 2 chapters. Therefore, Holyn is overall better than Beowulf. And I just know my fuck up last post is gonna cause me this debate. ;_;


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