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Reikken	Sep 17 2007, 11:20 AM
Posts: 1,838 Group: FEFFer Member #907 Joined: August 26, 2006	Quote: Kent has A Sain all the time easily. It's fast, easy, and neither of them wants anyone else as much as they want each other. Like Lance x Alan and Oscar x Kieran, it's a match made in Heaven. This gives him full Atk to make his offense moar h4x, and full Crit Evd to make up for his poor LUK. Everything else is given in half, but at least it's there. Then, he easily gets a B with Lyn. Now, I know you're going to argue about her sucking or something, and I'm prepared for that should you do it. She's forced upon you for many chapters, including the very final chapter, so not using her at all is a terrible idea. She also has many pluses. So, yeah, bring it. And if I have trouble with that, I'll take the later B Fiora at the very least, so ggnore. lol, all this ranting about durability, and then you suggest Lyn of all people? Haha, nice. Sadly, Fiora's isn't much better since she joins so underleveled. Quote: Serra's supports suck terribly. Sain could possibly happen, but it's 41/81/121 and Sain's mounted and off raping things with Kent, while Serra is hiding and getting left behind. So, she can get a B with Sain really late in the game or something. Lucius is possible, but he has Raven and Priscilla, and Lucius is often not even used since he's so bleh. It's also very slow. Hector isn't going to happen since it's super slow and he has A Eliwood/B Oswin before he probably gets just a C with Serra. Hey, Oswin will take her on playthroughs where Dorcas isn't used, you don't feel like promoting Matthew later, and Priscilla doesn't feel like getting him. Oh, wait, you need all of that to happen at the same time. Pity. Matthew has A Guy already, and having your healer follow your thief around makes no sense at all. He'll go for Oswin often if you plan on promoting him later, and is often not an awesome partner thanks to his very late promotion or not even promoting at all. Also, 76/156/236 ftl. Then Erk is even slower, and Erk wants Priscilla and Pent a lot more. Florina x Serra is probably the slowest support in the history of Fire Emblem; 81/161/241, lol. Serra's supports are both super slow and unlikely in the first place, so I dunno wtf she's supposed to do for supports. Serra is Sain's best B support: he already overkills atk, and Serra's affinity gives pretty much everything else, so that's w1n for him. Lucius wants Serra way more than Priscilla, and Priscilla doesn't want Lucius either. What's Lucius's problem? Durability. What's Serra's affinity? Full defense. Priscilla's? critavo, lulz "Lucius is often not even used since he's so bleh."? He's only not getting used if you don't like units with low durability, in which case Lyn and Fiora definitely aren't getting used. Lucius has less def than them, but he's getting +5 def from his supports while the other two get +2 at best, closing the gap, and then he almost never takes counters, and he's immune to magic and doesn't have a weakness to bows or an inability to use terrain. No, Erk does not want Pent a lot more, or even more at all. Support with Serra > one with Pent. His Serra support is slow, but it also starts 15-16 chapters earlier. C Serra happens way way before C Pent, and the Bs are pretty close. And Serra gives better bonuses as well. Crit >> hit. I won't argue Matthew/Hector/Oswin. Inui Sep 15 2007, 02:44 AM Chapter 16 Kent: Level 10 Cavalier HP: 27.6 STR: 9.6 SKL: 10.5 SPD: 11.1 LUK: 3.8 DEF: 7.2 RES: 3.2 CON: 9 AID: 16 MOV: 7 Lances, Swords Serra can gain a couple of levels in Lyn's mode, and then a couple before Kent joins, so something like 8 is reasonable since has to heal for EXP and competes with Priscilla starting in 14. Hahaha. Wow. Okay, first, I see Kent is level 10, which he isn't getting to unless you sat there and Lundgren abused or something while getting Nils to lv 7. Otherwise he'd be level 8-9. Next, Serra is getting way more than "a couple of levels" in Lyn mode. Without Lundgren abuse, if you're S-ing LHM, she can get to level 9 by the end of it. With Lundgren abuse, she'll reach at least level 11, possibly 12. If that seems high to you, realize that she's getting two heals on turns that Nils refreshes her, which is going to be almost every time since there's rarely ever a need to refresh an attacker: enemy density is so low in LHM that you have way more than enough units to kill all the ones in range every turn and usually even still have units left over who have nothing to attack, so refreshing an attacker would be pointless. You get nothing out of it. Whereas refreshing your healer gets you more exp. It helps Serra without negative effects on anyone else. There may be a turn or two in chapters 8 and/or 9 that refreshing an attacker would help, but that's it. Now, since you apparently got Nils to lv 7, Serra would be lv 11-12 when she rejoins in ch 12, and lv 14-15 by the time Kent joins. Quote: Later on, after Serra had time to promote and catch up with her h4xed up EXP gains... Serra promotes well before Kent does, and then she's gaining the same exp from combat but also gains exp from staves, so her level lead increases. Then Kent also has problems with promoting. There are hardly any Knight Crests. Oswin gets the first one, of course, and then the one of Kent/Sain/Lowen gets the second one at the end of chapter 22. Then the second Cavalier can't promote until you get the Earth Seal in ch 24. And the third Cavalier pretty much can't promote at all...Do you even get a third Knight Crest? You just have to wait for the second Earth Seal, right before 28x. Even if he had no promotion issues, Serra would be about 20/7 by the time he promotes, but then his promotion is held back, so Serra will be like 20/9 by the time Kent promotes. Then class exp bonus + staves keeps that level lead. Inui Sep 15 2007, 02:44 AM Kent is amazing through Lyn's mode and Serra is also good from being your only healer. Yayz. Serra joins in Chapter 12, but has to sit back and do nothing because the Pegasus Knights, Archer, and Mercenary wtfraep her terribly. So, she barely gets to heal, and can't really start building supports. She has to hide and camp a lot due to horrible durability. Durability is almost all WT control and HP/DEF early on since Evd is nowhere near reliable yet. Serra is being useful as your only healer, but she's forced to hide a lot, and then Priscilla joins in 14 and starts pwning because of her horse. No, Serra has enough hp/def to usually take 2 hits and still be alive. Basically, her durability is like Eliwood's would be if he always had WTA. And.. only healer until Priscilla joins = w1n. Kent has nothing like this. Quote: Kent has a horse, good offense, and is durable. What else is there to say besides just explaining that stuff further? Kent's mobile, and is only less mobile than Marcus and Florina. Tactics is incredibly hard to get an S rank in, and Kent having a horse and solid offense and durability only makes that easier. Serra is helping Experience, and that's about it. Kent only helps to better tactics. What I mean by that is that you can beat chapters just as fast without Kent. You cannot, however, get as much exp without Serra. It's an assured and rather large boost that you can't get otherwise. Serra's advantage >>> Kent's And not only that, but also, higher exp rank lets you use more of the tactics rank god that is Marcus, so this can go towards either rank. Serra wins even more. Quote: She has terrible mobility, so she's not good in Chapter 17, while Priscilla is h4x. No, Serra's mobility is not terrible. She just has normal move rather than above average. She has more than enough move to keep up with the group. Compared to Priscilla, she usually actually has more mobility. Sure Priscilla can move farther, but that's not worth anything unless she can safely do so, and Serra's durability trounces Priscilla's. Quote: In Chapter 17x, she's likely to not even be fielded since space is so damn limited and Priscilla gets fielded first to gain levels and build supports with Guy and Erk. On the contrary, Serra is one of the first to be fielded. First on the list are Florina, the healers, and a fast sworduser who can one-round the pirates, like Guy or Raven. Kent, however, is indeed unlikely to be fielded as he doesn't fit into any of the roles. Quote: Then you go to Chapter 18, and then she's having those Pegasus Knight and Mercenary and Archer problems again. Enemies in this chapter swarm you and lots of them can fly, so it's hard to protect her, and her HP and DEF both suck terribly. In Chapter 19, there's Nomads everywhere, and even more Pegasus Knights again. So, her earlygame durability is abysmal. She struggles to live and has super slow supports, so her durability barely goes up. Haha. Serra >> Priscilla here because she actually has hp/def and doesn't die in two hits. She's also nearly immune to the Shamans while Priscilla's res isn't that high: she usually dies in two hits even if one is from a Shaman. Even from just Shamans, 2 Nosferatus or 3 Fluxes is enough to b7 Priscilla. In addition to hp and def, Serra also has avoid so that she can dodge and not have to waste a turn getting healed. Kent's durability doesn't even beat Serra's here because of all the Shamans. He can take an extra hit or sometimes two from physical attackers, but he gets wtfpwned by the Shamans, and he takes counters often, and he has less avo. Also, the Mercs can crit Kent since he hasn't gotten C Sain yet. He might get it later in the chapter, but he doesn't have that critavo until then. 19 has lots of forests, so Serra's avo is a bigger factor. The 60-70 avo she'll have when standing on one starts to become actually reliable. Serra promotes soon after 19, so Kent gets crxsh'd then. Oh yeah, and once Serra promotes, her durability starts beating Kent's, and it stays that way for the rest of the gaem. She wins massively in avoid, having significantly more even when Kent has WTA, she wtfraeps him in res, and only loses def by about 2.
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