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+Ema Skye	Sep 20 2007, 11:41 PM
Snackoos = <3. It's science! Posts: 20,957 Group: Advisor Member #40 Joined: June 9, 2005	Quote: lol, all this ranting about durability, and then you suggest Lyn of all people? Haha, nice. Sadly, Fiora's isn't much better since she joins so underleveled. Lyn's durability issues aren't that bad. She has really good Evd and Florina gives her +1 Def/Res. It's not like you're not going to field her. She's forced upon you for many chapters, and has to be used in the final. Fiora, bleh. I don't like her much, but I could easily make a case for her if I had to. Quote: Serra is Sain's best B support: he already overkills atk, and Serra's affinity gives pretty much everything else, so that's w1n for him. Maybe for bonuses, sure. But Sain's almost never standing next to her and the support is already horribly slow. Please, tell me how a healer is standing next to a unit that rushes forward enough for that support to build, especially since it's so slow. Quote: Lucius wants Serra way more than Priscilla, and Priscilla doesn't want Lucius either. What's Lucius's problem? Durability. What's Serra's affinity? Full defense. Priscilla's? critavo, lulz "Lucius is often not even used since he's so bleh."? He's only not getting used if you don't like units with low durability, in which case Lyn and Fiora definitely aren't getting used. Lucius has less def than them, but he's getting +5 def from his supports while the other two get +2 at best, closing the gap, and then he almost never takes counters, and he's immune to magic and doesn't have a weakness to bows or an inability to use terrain. Lyn: Level 15/0: 25.8 HP, 4.8 Def, 4.2 Res, 47.5 Evd, 12.7 Crit Evd Lucius: Level 15/0: 24.6 HP, 2.2 Def, 13.3 Res, 34 Evd, 4.4 Crit Evd At even levels, Lyn is crushing Lucius in durability. And Lyn has a level lead and a support lead. C Florina before Lucius even joins, and then that finishes quickly, and Kent started building. Lucius only wins against magic users, and even that's debatable since Lyn wins HP and Evd. Things have Crit on Lucius, lol. And since we're raping our Lyn's mode ranks or something, give her the Angelic Robe before Lucius even exists. ggnore Quote: No, Erk does not want Pent a lot more, or even more at all. Support with Serra > one with Pent. His Serra support is slow, but it also starts 15-16 chapters earlier. C Serra happens way way before C Pent, and the Bs are pretty close. And Serra gives better bonuses as well. Crit >> hit. This leaves Pent, an otherwise very impressive unit, without any supports unless you actually field Louise and/or Canas. Hawkeye's okay, but the bonuses are really bad. So, Serra taking the support from Erk hurts Pent, which isn't good. Erk isn't struggling even slightly without having Serra since he easily gets Priscilla, so it's not like you're hurting Erk by waiting for Pent. C Serra isn't making him jump a tier. The bonuses are barely different. It's 5 Crit and 5 Hit vs 10 Crit, which isn't all that different. Quote: I won't argue Matthew/Hector/Oswin. Okeyz. Quote: Hahaha. Wow. Okay, first, I see Kent is level 10, which he isn't getting to unless you sat there and Lundgren abused or something while getting Nils to lv 7. Otherwise he'd be level 8-9. Maybe if you used Wil, Rath, and the other bleh units or something. My Sain and Kent are always at least level 10 without Lundgren abusing at all, and Experience is S'd anyways. Quote: Next, Serra is getting way more than "a couple of levels" in Lyn mode. Without Lundgren abuse, if you're S-ing LHM, she can get to level 9 by the end of it. With Lundgren abuse, she'll reach at least level 11, possibly 12. If that seems high to you, realize that she's getting two heals on turns that Nils refreshes her, which is going to be almost every time since there's rarely ever a need to refresh an attacker: enemy density is so low in LHM that you have way more than enough units to kill all the ones in range every turn and usually even still have units left over who have nothing to attack, so refreshing an attacker would be pointless. You get nothing out of it. Whereas refreshing your healer gets you more exp. It helps Serra without negative effects on anyone else. There may be a turn or two in chapters 8 and/or 9 that refreshing an attacker would help, but that's it. Now, since you apparently got Nils to lv 7, Serra would be lv 11-12 when she rejoins in ch 12, and lv 14-15 by the time Kent joins. Wtf is she healing, dude? She can't heal HP every single turn. I've never had Serra pass level 7 without Lundgren abuse. And if you're Lundgren abusing, Kent is also going to be higher than level 10. Hell, since you're going all the way, why not promote him? If you abuse, you already wrecked Tactics. So, if you want to Lundgren abuse, we'll make Kent a Level 1 Paladin or something. Sounds fine? Quote: Serra promotes well before Kent does, and then she's gaining the same exp from combat but also gains exp from staves, so her level lead increases. Then Kent also has problems with promoting. There are hardly any Knight Crests. Oswin gets the first one, of course, and then the one of Kent/Sain/Lowen gets the second one at the end of chapter 22. Then the second Cavalier can't promote until you get the Earth Seal in ch 24. And the third Cavalier pretty much can't promote at all...Do you even get a third Knight Crest? You just have to wait for the second Earth Seal, right before 28x. Even if he had no promotion issues, Serra would be about 20/7 by the time he promotes, but then his promotion is held back, so Serra will be like 20/9 by the time Kent promotes. Then class exp bonus + staves keeps that level lead. Oh, no no no, we're Lundgren abusing, right? Kent is a Level 1 Paladin in Chapter 16. If we're not Lundgren abusing, then the levels I posed initially will be used. Your choice. Kent would at least be promoting second, so whatever. Quote: No, Serra has enough hp/def to usually take 2 hits and still be alive. Basically, her durability is like Eliwood's would be if he always had WTA. And.. only healer until Priscilla joins = w1n. Kent has nothing like this. She dies in two hits without Lundgren abuse, and dies in three with it. Kent dies in a lot of hits without Lundgren abuse, and can't die with it. That's fine. Kent is one of your best fighters, which makes up for that, since there's tons more fighting to do than healing. Quote: Kent only helps to better tactics. What I mean by that is that you can beat chapters just as fast without Kent. You cannot, however, get as much exp without Serra. It's an assured and rather large boost that you can't get otherwise. Serra's advantage >>> Kent's And not only that, but also, higher exp rank lets you use more of the tactics rank god that is Marcus, so this can go towards either rank. Serra wins even more. Kent doesn't just better Tactics. He rapes enemies, so he betters Combat. He kills things before they can do anything and can protect and rescue people, so he helps Survival. He costs a lot less than Serra and can use iron weapons almost all the time and still crush everything, so he's cheap and better for Funds. Yeah, she's good for Experience and lets you use Marcus more, but Priscilla also does this, and later joining units like Heath and Nino help out a lot. And all of your late-promoting Lords, especially Hector. It's not exactly like Serra alone lets Marcus be used more. What a tiny advantage... Quote: No, Serra's mobility is not terrible. She just has normal move rather than above average. She has more than enough move to keep up with the group. Compared to Priscilla, she usually actually has more mobility. Sure Priscilla can move farther, but that's not worth anything unless she can safely do so, and Serra's durability trounces Priscilla's. For Chapter 17, she's terrible. You have to rush. You have to stop some gay thieves and save those soldiers. Kent, Sain, Florina, Marcus, and Priscilla ditch everyone. Serra just follows along with nothing to do, so she's no benefit here. Priscilla is safe after Marcus, Sain, and Kent kill everything. And the big corridor is only two spaces, and there are three frontliners to block it off. Serra's ditched. Quote: On the contrary, Serra is one of the first to be fielded. First on the list are Florina, the healers, and a fast sworduser who can one-round the pirates, like Guy or Raven. Kent, however, is indeed unlikely to be fielded as he doesn't fit into any of the roles. Kent has more offense than Raven at this point, though. And if you Lundgren abused, he's like...a level 2 Paladin, and the best unit in the game. Raven: Level 6: 9.5 Atk, 14.45 Atk Spd, 8 Con Kent: Level 13: 11.8 Atk, 12.4 Atk Spd, 9 Con Steel Sword narrows the Spd loss, and Kent doubles those pirates anyways. Kent has moar Atk, too. Guy is better, though. Why is Florina fielded? Lances-only against all of those pirates? And the bows around? Those villages aren't exactly getting raided, dude. And Priscilla is better than Serra and needs the levels more, so she's doing the healing, not Serra. Quote: Haha. Serra >> Priscilla here because she actually has hp/def and doesn't die in two hits. She's also nearly immune to the Shamans while Priscilla's res isn't that high: she usually dies in two hits even if one is from a Shaman. Even from just Shamans, 2 Nosferatus or 3 Fluxes is enough to b7 Priscilla. In addition to hp and def, Serra also has avoid so that she can dodge and not have to waste a turn getting healed. But Priscilla has that brief conversation before the chapter starts, which makes her w1n. In all seriousness, Priscilla isn't too worse off because she can run away and move more. Serra can get attacked without being able to run away. Anyways, Priscilla vs Serra isn't all that important. Priscilla is the better unit overall and yields a better pay-off when used. If you want to argue against this, you can; good luck. Kent is awesome in this chapter because he can go anywhere he wants, rape the Pegs, tank the Mercs, and easily kill anything on the map. He can also move from one side of the ship to the other easily. What this "hp/def" that Serra has? She has pretty bad HP/Def for the whole game. Beating Priscilla in them doesn't suddenly make her have HP/Def. Quote: Kent's durability doesn't even beat Serra's here because of all the Shamans. He can take an extra hit or sometimes two from physical attackers, but he gets wtfpwned by the Shamans, and he takes counters often, and he has less avo. Also, the Mercs can crit Kent since he hasn't gotten C Sain yet. He might get it later in the chapter, but he doesn't have that critavo until then. All of this means nothing unless you make Kent go to the far left, which is pretty stupid. He can rape the other areas, especially the far right. Serra is raped in those areas since Mercs and Myrms have Hit. Uh, C Sain is only 17 turns. He gets that in Chapter 17, or in 17x at the latest. He's going to have it for 18 all the time. And C Lyn is likely, too. That's only 21 turns. Quote: 19 has lots of forests, so Serra's avo is a bigger factor. The 60-70 avo she'll have when standing on one starts to become actually reliable. Her Evd isn't that high unless you Lundgren abused. And if you did that, Kent is getting cling'd and shit, lol. Quote: Serra promotes soon after 19, so Kent gets crxsh'd then. Only if you Lundgren abused, which means Kent is promoted in 16. Quote: Oh yeah, and once Serra promotes, her durability starts beating Kent's, and it stays that way for the rest of the gaem. She wins massively in avoid, having significantly more even when Kent has WTA, she wtfraeps him in res, and only loses def by about 2. Beats Kent in durability? Prove it. Kent has tons more HP and DEF and great Evd too. I can't possibly see Serra winning in any situation you mentioned beyond the stuff with the Shamans, and then Kent has way more HP for those anyways. She's more durable in Cog of Destiny, and that's about it. Oh, what, huge level lead from Lundgren abuse and her EXP boost? Kk. Let's Lundgren abuse and have Kent just promote then, lol. Kent: Level 1 Paladin HP: 38.1 STR: 14.6 SKL: 16.5 SPD: 16.5 LUK: 5.8 DEF: 11.7 RES: 6.8 CON: 11 AID: 14 MOV: 8 Lances, Swords, Axes Wtf PWN. Serra is trash compared to this h4x. Oh, and Lundgren abusing her decreases her value as an Experience booster in Hector's mode since she has more levels to gain and never becomes overleveled. So, if you abuse Lundgren, Serra loses some of her best asset, and Kent becomes a Marcus with good growths, which is huge w1n. If Serra is overleveled, she's not gaining moar EXP than everyone else. She's just an overleveled unit gaining the same amount as everyone else. This means she's not actually benefitting Experience moar than your other pplz. Then she'll just cap out early and liek omg become a detriment instead. Oh, he competes with Sain for that Knight Crest? Whatever. Then his partner becomes huge massive w1n and he has the best bodyguard and slayer with him ever. The point is, Serra can't do this at all. If she's overleveled too much, she loses a decent chunk of her Experience h4x. Kent hurts Experience if he's promoted already, but he's top tier for every other rank. Arguably the best in all of them but Experience. Kent >>> This is two vs one, too, bitch. Sain is always with Kent, and they function as an amazing team. Serra doesn't have this with anyone because she's not a team player. Her supports are horrendously slow because everyone hates her and finds her annoying. Kent raepz.
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