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Super Saiyan SolidSense	Sep 24 2007, 06:51 PM
Posts: 896 Group: FEFFer Member #1,311 Joined: June 15, 2007	Quote: Canas vs Rebecca, right? Well, it had better be, I was hoping to use Lyn against you, but ok, since you've already written this. Quote: Canas is superior to Rebecca because stats are more reliable than supports and Canas's stats are generally superior while Rebecca's supports are generally superior. lol, wut. "Supports aren't reliable"? If you're talking about reliability in terms of constancy, then Supports > stats. Stats are subject to the whims of the RNG, whereas something like A Fire x Fire will always provide the same set of bonuses. If you're talking about reliability due to having to place two units within three spaces of each other, then lol. That's easy to do. Between three Supporting units, one unit can be three entire spaces to the right and one can be three entire spaces to the left, making for a total range of 7 squares between the enemies that the Supporters to the left and right are attacking, 9-10 (diagonals ftw) squares if those units happen to be wielding 2-range weapons. Enemies are not 9-10 spaces apart. So much for your "Supports aren't reliable" argument. Now let's see a real comparison of Rebecca vs. Canas 20/10 Rebecca, A Lowen/B Dart Killer Bow: 30.2 Atk, 154 Hit, 70 Crit, 22.7 AS \| 37.8 HP, 88.4 Avo, 9.2 Def, 11.4 Res Silver Bow: 35.2 Atk, 154 Hit, 40 Crit, 23.7 AS \| 37.8 HP, 90.4 Avo, 9.2 Def, 11.4 Res 20/10 Canas, B Pent Flux: 27.4 Atk, 133.8 Hit, 8.7 Crit, 18.3 AS \| 39.7 HP, 58.8 Avo, 14.2 Def, 21.4 Res Canas really doesn't have anyone besides Pent (and Erk might want Pent too if Erk is in play, so Canas doesn't have exclusive rights to him--the differences in bonuses is marginal at best) since Nino, Vaida, and Bartre are unlikely choices, so Rebecca is benefiting more Support partners, w1n. Uh, lol. More Attack, Hit, Crit, and AS ftw? Rebecca wins offense. She has massive Avoid for defenses--so much Avoid that most enemies will have close to 0% real chance to hit her. She has the game's highest Avoid (with the exception of maybe Legault or Ninian, in the unlikely case that Legault promotes or that Ninian gets an Eliwood Support). Winning offense and defense and Supports ftw. There's not even a contest here!!!!!!!shift. Quote: When Rebecca joins, Canas is more durable owing to greater defence and resistance (albeit slightly lower HP, assuming Rebecca is at about level ten) and neither of them will really be getting doubled by the generally slow enemies in Blazing Sword. lol, Canas' wins in Defense and Resistance earlygame are marginal at best (5 Def compared to 4 Def is not a significant difference). More significant is Rebecca's Avoid lead--without Supports, she already has about 10 more Avoid than he does. However, Canas has to wait for Pent, while Rebecca is building Supports, so this gap increases. Also, Rebecca has 170% total Avoid growth, whereas Canas has 95%. And then you cleverly neglected offense. Canas, with his amazing 7 AS, is not doubling much of anything, whereas Rebecca with 11.4 AS is doubling most things (and with her high Speed growth, she'll soon be doubling even those pesky Myrms). She also helps Support partners with offensive boosts, so that's another win for her offensively. Quote: Canas also gains Nosferatu fairly soon, which makes him an amazing tank for just letting enemies come in and attack him, and then he restores his health by taking advantage of their poor resistance. As mentioned before, enemies are largely too slow to take advantage of his speed loss. He might get it "fairly soon," but you can't purchase it, so it's not really a major thing he's got going for him. Plus, unpromoted Canas loses 7 AS from Nosferatu, and promoted Canas loses 6. 20/0 Canas - 7 AS = 5ish AS, lol, which means that enemies with 9 or more Speed can double him (and higher-end enemies after Chapter 20 have around 12-14). Also significant, however, is the fact that he himself will never double with Nosferatu equipped. He'd need his enemies to have 0 Speed to double them, and even Knights and Generals have at least 2-3 by that time. Not dying but never killing isn't worth much. But then Canas is dying--not only is he doubled, but Nosferatu has low Hit (and missing means he doesn't recover HP). Add to that the fact that Canas' raw defensive parameters aren't anything to be awed at, and you have "tank" far out of the question. Quote: Throughout the game, Canas demonstrates his superiority by constantly being able to attack at close quarters and at range, which Rebecca cannot do as she is locked to bows, which kind of sucks for her in the fields of fighting enemies and gaining experience. Unfortunately, Canas really has no viable Support options other than Pent, so his durability is considerably lacking in comparison to Rebecca's. Attacking at close range isn't going to do him much good if he shouldn't be attacking on Enemy Phase (14 Def and 55 Avoid is not good). Also, his prepromotion AS sucks, and while Rebecca can force ranged opponents to evoke a counter from her, Canas can never force enemies to lower their Speed values. Postpromotion, yeasurewhatever. Rebecca's Crit and still-greater AS >>>> Canas' ability to attack at close range. Quote: Superior stats and being able to attack at both ranges is by far superior to having better supports but being locked to the one, less common range, therefore Canas is superior. You're going to have Supports, so they actually count in "superior stats." And Rebecca's statistical advantages over Canas are just too great to say that "Canas counters at close range, so he wins." She has massive Crit, AS, and Avo, and...what else do you need, really? With a Killer Bow, she's just about the best unit in the game statistically. Only her class holds her back--this might allow units like Kent to one-up her, but not someone like Canas. Canas can't compare in any way, defensively or offensively. Also, I lol'd several times while reading that. Yes, most so-called "elite" debaters are indeed boring, but debating is what we like to do. I think I'm perfectly capable of incorporating comedy into my posts, but I don't feel like I want to waste the time to do so. Personal preference, really. I get the feeling you're not really into this, so I didn't go too in-depth. Good luck and maybe we can do something fun later like Nino vs. Pent or something. kk, so, as usual, I'll conclude my opener with Rebecca >>> Canas.
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