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*Sentenal*	Sep 28 2007, 11:24 PM
When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. Posts: 15,632 Group: FEFF Emperor Member #1 Joined: May 16, 2005	Quote: And you know why the prologue is so easy? ETHLIN. Ethlin=Sigurd? Uhhh, no. That is comlete bullshit. Quote: You give too much credit to chapter 5. Chapter five is so fucking easy it isn't funny. The only hard part about it is keeping Byron alive. Chapter 5 has some of the most powerful bosses in generation 1, and is TONS harder than the prologue, and harder than chapter 1. Quote: Uh, yeah. Her ability to dodge so much allows her to front line easier. Dodging doesn't kill enemies. Therefore, Dodging doesn't help offense at all. That is kinda basic. Quote: And Ethlin crit's a LOT after a chapter or two. Incidentally right when she gets the light brand. No she doesn't. :richie: 11 base SKL, with a 30% growth...? She isn't critting alot at all. Quote: Uh, did I say that it was? No. I said that her personal offense set makes up for the fact that she doesn't have Pursuit. No... It doesn't. Crit at best is like a one time pursuit. And then she has bad Atk. Her personal offense is bad. Quote: First off, go play the game. Light brand = 12 mt + magic based. She has 22 might against almost every enemy in the chapter she gets it. In most cases, that's half of the enemy's health. No shit, Sherlock. Maybe if you read my entire post, you would have seen I pointed out she has 20~ atk. Every round of attacking, Ethlin will hit once for 20 damage. 30.6 Atk. Holyn one rounds just about every Lance Knight, Axe Knight, Free Knight, Swordfighter, and mage in the chapter. With Moonlight hit (about 40% chance to activate once in a round), Holyn becomes one of the best people to take down the various Armors in chapter 2 as well, as when he activates Moonlight hit once, he one rounds all of them as well. This is good offense. Hitting once for 20 damage is not. Hell, another point I could bring up here is upkeep cost of the Light Sword. It has a cost of 12000 gold, twice of what Holyn's Steel Blade cost. Holyn rapes the arena, so doesn't have to worry about money. Ethlin? Well, she better not use it too often. Ethlin cannot fight in the arena. Her main source of funds are villages. And Ethlin going in to get money prevents other people from getting that. Not good, that selfish bitch... Add this onto the fact that she has to get money to repair her staves as well, and Ethlin is gonna be strapped for cash. My point? Ethlin needs to restrict use of her Light Sword, so she doesn't use it too much, and then not have the money to repair it. Quote: If he is getting attacked on the enemy turn, then he is getting attacked by every other enemy in that squad. His survival largely depends on the amount of units. If it were the free knights, well, I hope he had a full use sword Holyn needs 20 uses of his Steel Blade to massacre an entire army of Free Knights. Swords have 50 uses. But, you aren't going to have anyone solo an army. The simple fact that Holyn is there and killing anything he comes into combat with helps the survival of other units they could have potientally attacked. This, my friend, is a fact. Quote: Do you even know how the combat rank works? Arena suicide ftl. APPARENTLY you don't know how it works. Battle losses are getting killed. It seems that if a unit is killed, and even if you reset the game, it records 1 loss. Savestates aren't actually used the game, so "lol savestates" aren't considered. Combat is considered one of the hardest ranks to get. And since Holyn is probably never going to die, prevents others from dieing by killing the enemy, and Ethlin being much more fragile, Holyn is better than Ethlin by lots in the combat rank. Quote: Oh boo hoo. 7-10 mt against starting enemies before critical isn't necessarily bad. Let her level up some with staves. Wow, 11% chance to crit. That is amazing. Oh wait, not it isn't. She would be doing 7~ damage, per hit, against enemies who have about 35-40 HP. Do you see her offense is bad NOW? Its fucking terrible, beyond useless, why the hell are you making her attack bad, when she doesn't have the Light Sword. Quote: Don't complain about critical then claim Luna is good. At the most, Holyn's activation rate is only 5% better then Ethlin's crit rate. And if Holyn is already supposedly killing everything, is Luna necessary? Against Armors, it is. I already addressed this. Quote: 42.4. Lern2loverbonus. Also, Ethlin is around Sigurd more often then Holyn is if that means anything. Even with lovers bonus, it is hardly anything against Holyn's HP and DEF. About 10 more avoid, to 5 DEF and 6.4 HP. Holyn is better defensively. An Iron Lance alone (not counting the enemy's SKL or anything) has 80 hit. And against Ethlin, they have WTA, so another 20. So, that is about 60 hit on Ethlin, if the enemy had 0 SKL (lance knights in chapter 2 have about 8 SKL). Iron Sword people have 80 accuracy on their weapon, and then about 8 SKL. So they have about 50 hit on Ethlin. Quote: Alot of stuff comes out of your ass, doesn't it? Yes yes. Lots of forest. Lots of lost movement. The pegs are still hitting though. Deveeta and Pamela are just that good of commanders. Not any worse than people like Sigurd or Beowulf, defensively. Quote: Cool. He gets to steal another kill and survive another lance attack. How swell. I don't even know what the hell you are getting at. Steal another kill...? How do you steal kills? I proved Holyn isn't getting raped by the pegs. Holyn is taking like 9 damage per Peg. The forests negates the WTD he gets, so Holyn has like 47 avoid against them, 57 if Sigurd is near, and if Lachasis is around too, 67 avoid. Quote: lolk. That still doesn't mean that Ethlin's death didn't contribute. Ethlin's death didn't cause Blume to take over Manster. Leaf didn't fight Blume to avenge his mother. Ethlin's death contributed to FE5 just as much as every other death of a Generation 1 unit did. Quote: If she became a troubadour, she can still use the Gae Bolg, just not as an unpromoted unit. I'm sure Cuan would make her take up Duke Knight status, however. shot because of Gen 2 shit* Silly Sety, Lenster has no Dragons to let Altenna ride. She would have gotten the Gae Bolg regardless, its just Trabant being the pwnage person he is, letting his own adoptive daughter ride a dragon that can shoot eye lasers and fart lightning bolts. Quote: k, for all we know he died sucking someone's dick because he didn't want them to kill him even though they did anyway. How pitiful. He was along side Sigurd at the Battle of Barhara, and died along with just about everyone else, in combat. Other than Ethlin the bitch, who was pwned by Trabant the Great. Quote: Aideen is almost never in reach of your other units Same for Lachesis, but she would much rather fight Same for Claude. Tiltyu even getting promoted is a wonder. Levin... Uh, well, I suppose. But he probably isn't promoting until after chapter 3 (or very late in it) anyway. What I said for Levin applies to Fury as well. Churches take too long. The only safe way to heal on a church is to make sure they are out of enemy range, which hurts his ability to level up, and harms tactics potentially. Bullshit that Edain doesn't get to heal. Take chapter 1, for example, and the huge forest there. Edain isn't getting left behind there. Chapter 2 has lots of roads, and its not like 100% of your army is mounted, so she isn't getting left far behind. Same can be said of future chatpers. Lachesis would much rather fight after promotion when she is a Master Knight, but before that, no pursuit=probably not a good idea to fight, so she heals. Everything else, same as Edain. She isn't really getting left behind. Unless you are retarded. Same with Claude. It would probably be a good idea to promote Tiltyu, with the EXP rank the way it is. Not to mention I promote Tiltyu, because Tiltyu=<3. Her daughter too. </off topic> And then Levin and Fury. And Hospitals, on top of all those healing units, make healing to as "omg best thing in game" as you make it out to be. In fact, I can't even see why you would ever even imply that Healing>>>>Combat. Seriously. Ethlin could run around, healing every single unit every turn, non-stop, and that healing wouldn't make a difference. Healing doesn't kill enemy units. Healing doesn't kill bosses who guard castles, that you need to capture to proceed. However, killing people lets you proceed with the game. Killing those bosses on the castles lets you proceed with the game. Isn't it blatantly obvious how much more valuable killing things is? Is it more common? Yeah, thank god, but that doesn't make it any less useful. Anyway, I've proved that Holyn is MUCH MUCH MUCH superior in offense. This isn't even in question. I've shown that Holyn is more durable as well. Ethlin's avoid lead does not counter balance Holyn's HP and DEF win. Ethlin is better at healing (lol), but healing is not more important than raping (the thing that Holyn does). Not to mention, the chapters Holyn is around for, that Holyn is around to help in, are more difficult than the chapters that Ethlin is around for. So while they are around for an equal amount of chapters, the worth of the chapters they are both present for are by no means equal. So, Holyn greater than sign Ethlin. I hate arguing against Healers, btw.


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