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Mekkah	Oct 8 2007, 03:34 AM
Posts: 667 Group: FEFFer Member #1,400 Joined: July 24, 2007	I raped the character limit so here's the rest of my post Quote: Alec with the Iron Cutter against the same enemy, Level 25. 24 attack, doubled to 48. 48-15 is 33, doubles for the kill. Alec with Hero Lance has 18 + 15 = 32 Atk, 32-15 def = 17 damage. 17x4 = 54 damage. As a bonus, 20 more avoid. Quote: Are you sure that Sigurd, Holyn, and Alec don't want it? Pretty sure. Quote: He hardly needs the EXP anyway. / Still hardly needs EXP Still not helping your army killing things then. Quote: I can't see how the chapter is halfway over after the first castle. We've still got Anphony and Mackily and Agusty. Maybe a quarter of the chapter, tops. It's by far the hardest part, and the longest walk from castle to castle while you have to do it in 11 turns for the Bargain Ring. But that's ok, Fin doesn't have a noticable advantage in Ch2 over Beowulf anyway. Quote: Gogo item hogging. Don't get me into this again. Quote: Beo's gimping the team. EXP-wise: nearly everyone is, and at least they are killing things which is not bad Weapon-wise: no, Beowulf is the best user of these swords Quote: And more gimped fail Alec because he's using the Steel Sword against 16 might Armors. Gogo Alec, hit him for 26 damage! It's too bad Beowolf needs to 2HKO every enemy even with Continue and Duel, or else you'd actually be halfway useful, Alec. And then we look at 6, where neither exist, and 7-Epilogue where Fin is existing and doing well and Beo is... dead. No, he'd likely be using Hero Lance. Or you just use someone else against Armors, someone who gains more EXP out of the deal. Someone who is actually passing his stats to someone in the second gen as opposed to someone who ends up having no kids. Yeah, let's look at the second gen in a first gen debate. @_@ Still, Delmud and Nanna exist and are as good as they are thanks to Beowulf, and together they are worth a hell lot more than Fin simply because there's two of them and they're excellent units in their own right and give Charisma off and all. Quote: The difference between Fin and people like Beo or Jamka is that Fin spreads out his leveling for the EXP rank over the course of 8 Arenas and 9 Chapters, making him win for the EXP rank. Beo fights in 4 Arenas and only gets 21 total level ups, plus he's in only 4 chapters, which is already putting him at a huge disadvantage because he can't afford to miss out on kills, whereas Fin can pretty much do whatever the crap he wants because he's everywhere. Yeah, except we were talking about "having broken stats for the first generation" and you switch to Fin helping EXP rank by not killing things on the battlefield, which results him in not helping your army finish things up faster. Great trade. Fin, for the purposes of the first generation, is in only 3 arena's (1, 2 and 3) and gets to L14 (3 levels per chapter), we're not looking at second gen. Fin is not everywhere, or if he is, so is Beowulf. Phew, I suppose that wraps up the actual gameplay part. Short but sweet summary: - Fin exists in Prologue, 1 and first part of 2 before Beowulf. What he does according to our Fin supporter is arena'ing and dicking around, maybe stealing a few kills since he cannot do that on his own without taking huge damage in 0 and 1. - Then Beowulf joins and his statistical wins over Fin vs axe users are grand, whereas Fin's wins against lance users are very slight (we're talking 3.6 avoid AGAINST 1.8 HP and 0.2 Def or something) and then Beowulf is winning against bow/magic. - Fin proceeds to gain 3 levels per chapter whereas Beowulf is speedleveling because you'll want him to be awesome in Ch4. - Beowulf gets the Iron Cutter (start Ch3)/Wing Clipper (end Ch3)/Silver Blade (begin Ch4) because he's the best user of these, and he does awesome damage with them. Fin does not exist anymore, he's running off, fully satisfied with the knowledge that he helped your team to 13 level ups, not killing anything on the field and therefore not helping for your turn limit. And he sucked in Ch0 and Ch1, and Cuan is outperforming as a Hero Lance user. Quote: lawl. Fin/Lachesis is canon, not Beowolf/Lachesis. In FE5, Fin is specifically referred to as Nanna's father on several occasions, and the only thing to possibly contradict that is that Delmud can use the Beo Sword, which is irrelevant because Felgus can too. The only real support Beo/Lachesis has is predestination from talks (in which case you've got just as good a chance of calling Dew/Lachesis canon). The pairings that we agreed upon for Tier Lists is based upon what is most efficient for a ranked run, not what we'd agree upon to be a canon pairing. And there's a large difference between being loyal to one's country and being loyal to a person. A country and a person are too hugely different things, and the only reason Fin follows Cuan around is because he's loyal to Lenster, and Cuan is the prince. Beowulf/Lachesis is predestined at least, but a little more than that since Beowulf TELLS Lachesis to go to Fin. And then both Delmud and Felgus are Beowolf's sons so they can use the Beo Sword, rendering it not irrelevant. Does Deu tell Lachesis to go somewhere safe in Ch5? I think not. Cuan's convo in Ch1 still smells of innuedo, and you still didn't counter my point that Beowulf basically gives Lachesis to Fin. He's a pimp, he can afford to lose a girl. The princess of Nodion is not dumping him, he dumps the princess. Quote: Nanna and Delmud had to have came from somewhere, and I can guarantee you it wasn't from Beo's fail. No, they didn't come from Beowulf's fail, because Beowulf does not fail. Delmud is, in fact, Beowulf's son always, even if Lachesis ends up in bed with Ardan.


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