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*Crysta*	Oct 9 2007, 08:08 AM
yay for conformity! Posts: 10,589 Group: FEFF Emperor Member #443 Joined: October 8, 2005	Quote: So, its smart to never, ever get off your horse, let your legs atrophy, and even walk around on it indoors? That just seems like excuses, trying to say "I'm not really a cripple!" when he is. I'm sure he gets off his horse some time. They just didn't wanna go through the work of changing the sprite to and fro. That's not Kent's fault. Quote: With more than just a Tomahawk. I gave you a big list of weapons. And, maybe you didn't notice this, but I excluded those weapons because Kent has the CON to use them alright. I noticed it. It's just considerably smaller than the can-use list, weakening that point ever-so-slightly. His CON isn't that big of a problem at all. In fact, the amount of weapons Kent can use will be bigger than Hector's list anyway given he can only use two weapons at most. Quote: But, let me just say this: Effective Axes are alot more powerful than effective swords or lances. Take the Heavy Spear. It has 9 Might on it. So against Knights, it has 18 might. A Hammer has 10 might, so it ends up getting 20 might against knights. The Armor Cutter is the worst of the 3, obviously. But, in the case with effective weapons, axes are always the way to go. You maximize your power with them. And Hector uses them better. That's good, only not every enemy will be a knight or calvary. Neither of them should have difficulty doubling the knights regardless of AS loss, anyway, or at least I'd hope so. You really only "maximize your power with them" against one type of enemy. Sorry, but I'm not really scared of knights. Quote: So, while Hector is using powerful heavy weapons with no penality, you are making Kent use swords? Well, I guess you can keep a 2 point AS lead, but the several Atk victory Hector has makes up for it. Not rly. I think it's more like a three point lead, too. 18.2 x 2 is indeed more than 23.5. In instances in which Kent is doubling and Hector is not, unless the axe has 12.9 more strength than the lance Kent is carrying, he's doing more damage. It's that particular offensive lead that you're attacking in the above arguments, after all. On average Hector stays at same speed for three to four levels. It takes Kent two to three. I'm not showing that because all you have to do is look at the averages and posting the whole frickin' thing seems needlessly redundant. The small speed lead Kent has is more significant than it implies: those lategame enemies with 17 AS won't be doubled by Hector unless he's around 20/20. In contrast, on average Kent can reach that point by level 20/14 -- six levels sooner. For the most part this remains consistent throughout the game regardless of the fact that enemy AS generally sucks balls. Even against an enemy with 6 AS, Hector has to reach level 16 in comparison to Kent's level 8 in order to double. Kent will be DAing sooner and in effect will be helping you sooner during the early - midgame, and even in the lategame should the circumstances call for it (i.e speedy enemies which are actually capable of killing someone). Quote: Hell, with a Silver Axe, which Kent loses 1 AS from, Hector uses flawlessly. And 1 AS hardly even makes a difference. And the Tomahawk is one of the best ranged melee weapons, which Hector uses without penality. Or hell, even the Brave Axe. Hector hardly loses any AS from it. Kent losing 5 AS from it might even nullify whats so good about the weapon, and thats the extra attacks. Hector would hit 4 times in a row, with no problems. And all of which are good weapons to use. Tomahawks aren't a staple weapon as far as I know. Hector's CON lead is pretty much the same as Kent's AS lead. With those particular weapons, Hector fares better. The problem is that Kent doesn't really need to use a Silver Axe, Tomahawk, or Brave Axe for the good majority of the time, meaning he still has the AS lead for most of the game unless for some reason you wanna have him running around with a Silver Axe for whatever reason. And... most of the game is a little more important. Quote: So, its more like "Hector will always be hitting harder than Kent, unless Kent sacrifices his AS lead, and then Hector still hits a bit harder." No, it's still "Hector has the advantage in using weapons Kent doesn't even need to use". I never said Kent hits harder, he simply hits more, ultimately doing more damage. He doesn't do more per hit, but has more hits. That makes sense, right? Quote: This debate is about Fire Emblem 7, Hector Hard Mode. The Dragon is the final enemy in the game, and the most powerful. Kent can't stand against it, Hector can. +1 for Hector. Yeah, not about one battle in said game. You have Athos. How is that battle in any way difficult? You're pretty much given the win. Quote: I'm not even talking about pairing. I'm talking about being together. As in, close enough to give support bonuses. Sure, lots of the time, they are. But the fact that they have to be close to each other, in order to give bonuses, takes away some versitility to go and do whatever you need them to do. They would always have to do it together, if you want them to do it. O... kay. Kent's pretty much in the same situation as Hector is in that area. Hector has Oswin to hang out and be slow and tanky, Kent has Sain to go ahead of the charge. Occasionally, lord forbid, you may have to seperate them from Eliwood and Lyn. Quote: And this isn't even considering Fiora, who may not even be used. Easily the worst unit of all the supports we are considering right now. I'm not used to considering Fiora, either. She's a spare. Quote: Hense me saying Kent is superior midgame. It is late game and early game where I am contesting Hector is superior. Once Hector can double, he's doing better. It'll take him awhile even in the earlygame, lest you want to get him to that fateful unpromoted level 20 point even quicker. He doesn't seem to be consistently doing that until he promotes and his promotion is late. After Cog of Destiny. By that time Kent will have a Kent is likely to have a noteworthy level lead. Kent will promote around Chapter 22ish at the latest and will continue to be useful until then. Hector will probably have to close a six - eight level gap, so his offense is not suddenly better than Kent's upon promotion either. Lord forbid, his strength may even be higher 'til Hector catches up! And he's pretty much doubling everything! Quote: And if Hector is easy to raise to level 20, then damn, he must be owning the hell out of that early game, eh? Kent isn't particularly difficult to get to level 20, either, and he doesn't get stuck there for a long period of time. But I digress, I'll give you the earlygame because of that frickin' Wolf Beil. Quote: Doesn't look French to me. Not to mention, Hector wasn't even killed by him. Hector died of his wounds following the battle. Kent took over Caelin after FE7. So, Kent either died before FE6 (win, Hector), or Kent was part of the Lycia Alliance Army, and was killed by Bern. If he's not French, then he's at least a feyg. He's wearing gloves. And jewelery. And that's like having me stab you and crediting the knife for the murder. And didn't Lyn give Hector Caelin to go frolick with Rath somewhere? I don't think Kent took it over. I DEMAND YOU SHOW PROOF, SIR. Quote: And hey, I like Lilina. No one else seems to, but meh. Also, shes like 12 or something. Give her time, and she would grow up to pwn just like her father. She probably grows up to be some housewife to that Roy feyg and probably will lose any pwnage potential she may have on making babies and disgracing Hector's bloodline even further. Quote: Kent doesn't even want her on the battlefield. He wants her safe in some castle tower, away from all harm. He wants to take care of her every need wut? Then he can't benefit from her support. He's a freakin' paladin. Paladins don't stay near castles, they go pwn. Quote: A gentlement? Sain is the real gentlemen of the Cavaliers. Sain is a skank. The chicks on his support list will only hit him up on his lewd offers if their other, favored support is busy. Being a manwhore makes availability is only strong suit. And which support helps him the most? Kent's, because he's just that suave. Quote: Kent is an obsessive freak who wants to dominate the lives of people under him, because he feels a sick sense of power from the dependence of others. Kent's affinity gets him laid. He doesn't need to control anyone, he knows they want him. Quote: And also noting: Hector bangs Lyn, Serra, Florina, or Farina. 4>2 Kent bangs his sooner and they actually want him. Quote: Too bad the people never ousted Hector, and instead, rallied behind him. It took Bern, and all the Miledys they had, to take him out. But anyway, I said Hector is the next Reagan , not the next George Bush. More like brain-dead soldiers led by some ghey level 10 dragon lord. He's fallen pretty far from pwning a frickin' fire dragon. But I'll admit, Hector at least fights.
	~ Crysta, Zombie Queen

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