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Mekkah	Oct 16 2007, 09:56 AM
Posts: 667 Group: FEFFer Member #1,400 Joined: July 24, 2007	Quote: Azel has Fala blood, which is absolute w1n. If that doesn't convince you that Azel is superior, we can go through the longer version of the debaet. Yeah, I'd love to be related to the mass murderer Alvis. Quote: I'll try to make it as short as possible so everyone can have a nice time reading this >_> Good luck with that. Quote: Prologue: Azel can one round the axe users. Alec never one rounds them. Alec wins defense, yes, but Azel attacks without getting counterattacked, and he got the HP to survive an attack during the enemy phase, so he's doing fine. Furthermore, Azel can counterattack bow users and hand axe people in case he gets attacked. Azel's offense>Alec. If by "the axe users" you mean the L1 ones, yes. Azel will kill two of those per turn - one on player phase, and one on enemy phase. Any more means a very high death risk, since Azel comes with NEGATIVE evasion so these guys have like 82 hit on him, and he gets 2HKOed. He also gets counterattacked by the Hand Axe Brigands and doesn't one-round them. Meanwhile Alec can take two hits of 12 without dying, and only gets hit 32% of the time...and he'll also be near Sigurd a lot which makes that 22%, and is also much more accessible for some Ethlin healing. Alec safely hitting stuff all the time for 10EXP a pop setting up kills for Noish/Fin/whoever >>>>> Azel's 60EXP on turn 1 and then needing healing from a church and never being able to face more than one enemy at the same time. Alec is overall doing more damage, gets hit less, takes less damage, helps out your team, AND makes fun of Ardan while he's at it. Quote: Chapter 1: Azel has gained some level ups from Prologue and chapter 1 arena. Thanks to that, his MAG is still good enough to one round. Enemies are of the same type as prologue, so the situation mentioned above is repeated. When you are crossing the Spirit Forest place, you can notice it is only 1 tile wide. Azel is ideal here as you can have someone attack at the front while Azel snipes from behind. Alec has no redeeming features. Alec has gained more level ups both from Prologue and the arena since he is more durable and stands a chance against that faggot Shark. Azel is still dying horribly if you expose him to more than one enemy at the same time, Alec is dodging like a champ. Alec is also outrunning Azel all the way until you start running through the Spirit Forest, so he has access to more enemies. If Azel is even there in time to walk with the rest of the group, he can get hit by the brigands easily, who can walk over the forest peaks. Oh, and he gets massacred by both Ayra and Jamka and cannot run away from them, while Alec's Awareness and mobility HELPS you to recruit these two. Quote: Chapter 2: Azel gets Thunder, meaning some AS, Avoid, and mantains his high attack. Azel has a considerable win against armors, while Alec's movement is also useful. Not a clear winner here. Azel is lucky if he gets to get a glimpse of Voltz' Free Knight army. His mobility is so terrible that he might just have to wait until you're going for Clement. The situation of these two versus Armors greatly resembles the earlier chapter brigands. The weakest Armor (47/0 HP/Res) can be one rounded by even a L4 Azel, however Alec can 2-round them with an Iron Lance with his 24 Atk hitting twice on 12 Def. But unlike Alec, Azel doesn't have to take cover on the enemy phase or get healed every time he attacks something with a Javelin. Quote: Chapter 3: The most dangerous enemies here are Eltosian's Cross Knights, who can be bitches and attack with javelins, so Azel can do a good job standing in a forest (there are a lot of them where that battle takes place) and counterattacking some dudes to make your life easier, while Alec is mediocre at best. By the final part of this chapter Azel can wtfraep the pirates and our units would be promoting. Azel gets a mount, so Alec loses his most important advantage, and then... They have like 37 hit with Javelin on L15 Thunder Azel in a forest and they 3HKO him. Pretty risky if you ask me. Generally if they go for Azel they will use their Steel Swords which have 57 hit on him and still 3HKO. If Elthsan's in range with his 5 star leadership that is pretty painful for him. In the meanwhile, if Azel is L15 here, we can safely assume Alec is promoted. He can use a Javelin and double them ranged, or he can use a Steel Lance and have 32 Atk, which 3HKOs if he's only L20, 2HKO if higher. Or he can just use a Steel Sword and deal 16x2=32 damage. Soo mediocre. Azel still dies pretty horribly to the pirates, while they pretty much have lol% hit on Alec. Can't see how Azel can fight at both Orgahil and Silvail anyway, he isn't exactly quick on his feet, and Aideen should be at Orgahil as soon as you seize Silvail because she wants to say hi to her sister. Ok, so we'll be really nice by assuming that Azel promotes at this point. For this to happen, Azel would need 19 levels from Prologue to Ch3. We'll substract 4 for a little more than 1 level per arena (which is fair - Azel sucks there and never gets past the generic Swordfighters). Leaves 15, so a little less than 4 levels per chapter. You need about 4 enemies for a level, so that makes...16 times setting up some kill for frail Azel after which you have to protect him from anything else, times four chapters = massive loads of babying. That sounds like a lot of trouble to me! Quote: Chapter 4: Azel gets a conversation with Tiltyu, boosting his HP by 5 points and surpassing Alec's own HP. During the first part of the chapter you fight some wind mages, Azel can use Elfire to get WTA and still inflict massive damage or switch to a Wind tome and double, plus he always takes those magical hits better. Against the Pegasus Knights, Azel can double with his Wind tome. Azel is clearly better here. Yes, Azel has a 1HP/4 Res lead on Alec at equal levels. Except Alec has had a level lead ever since he joined and it only increased every chapter. Alec can one-round any Wind Mage on Player Phase because he is hitting on their wetpaper Def, and then switch to Javelin to discourage any attacking towards him, or just stand on a forest and dodge. On Peggies, Alec can one-round all of them except Deetva with the Wing Clipper. And if Azel is talking to Tiltyu that would put him slightly behind on schedule compared to Alec, and if he's being paired to her he has to stay next to her and hardly have any fighting at all. Quote: Chapter 5: pfff Axe and Bow Knights with 1 RES, Velthomer's mages throwing meteors at you, Wyverns with high HP and DEF, shit RES and raping Alec with their horseslayers. This map is Heaven for Azel. On top of that, he should already be in love with Tiltyu so he benefits another unit, while Alec dies unloved. Alec isn't getting hit by the Axe knights, Azel is and then he'll be in trouble. Meteor guys can be fugged up by Fury and the gap between Alec and Azel is like super small in durability there, I could go in exact calculations but judges are still recovering from my 60 page essay last time. Yes, Alec is being raped so badly by Horsesla...hey wait he has Awareness and access to the Wing Clipper, fuck them You know who gets raped by Horseslayers? Azel. If he wants to benefit Tiltyu he should stay back with her and her 5 move. Tiltyu sucks anyways and should be killing Mountain Thieves or something for EXP. Alec clearly wins in durability always thanks to lighter weapons, WTC, hit and run and more often access to leadership. Azel sometimes wins in raw offense but cannot utilize this at all due to poor mobility early on and his ever-present fragilty. Alec certainly never dies unloved - the rest of the army loves him for his fighting ability. Azel is in love with a rather cute woman, yes, but being loved by everyone in the army > being loved by Tiltyu and getting yelled at for being a drag and a pansy.


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