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+Ema Skye	Oct 19 2007, 01:54 PM
Snackoos = <3. It's science! Posts: 20,964 Group: Advisor Member #40 Joined: June 9, 2005	Quote: Paperblade posting on time, oh noez. Inui posting on the last day, oh noez. Quote: Fin's helping the team by letting them have EXP but still giving +29 levels onto the EXP rank because of his hax access to Arenas, and he has the potential to one round basically every generic in Chapter 2+3 on his turn, which is sex for Combat Rank (or you can attach him to Lachesis at the hip to get better kids, which still works because honestly, he needs minimal combat EXP for a dude that joins at Level 1 unit without Elite, Fin's just uber versatile) It's a shame this has little relevance to first generation rankings. Jamuka is one of those units that easily gets to level 30 since he can clear every arena he encounters and kills practically everything he fights. Any benefit to the Experience rank that Fin has comes only from his starting at a lower level than Jamuka, since Jamuka can get tons of experience from the arena that doesn't take experience from anyone else. Having Fin follow Lachesis forever means Fin isn't doing much since he has to be next to her almost the entire time he's there in order for this pairing to happen. Jamuka can give you good children with Brigid or Edain without having to do something like this. Not that any of this matters... Quote: Meanwhile, Jamka is hurting Combat whenever he doesn't counter, although he is pretty good at Combat (although Hero Lance Fin is about as good), but the fact that he can activate Charge when he can't even attack sucks, and he's not helping EXP rank as much. Jamuka shouldn't be getting attacked on the enemy phase except by other bow users and magic units that have to attack him at range. Even if he is attacked a few times on the enemy phase, the damage to the Combat rank is extremely minimal compared to how well he does on his turn. He's one of the few units that can easily one-round sturdy armour knights and bosses early on. And the beauty of it is that he doesn't take a counter. Ayra could one-round an armour knight, but she takes a counter, and her poor defenses will make her get raped. Her crappy LUK makes her Evd very unreliable against lances and unreliable against swords. Quote: Fin also has high Move, which makes him more useful for Tactics, and in Gen 2 he can just sit at Castles and defend them because he hardly needs EXP, which helps with those ranks involved. Yeah, he's got a horsey and can move around a lot. Can't deny that. Jamuka, however, is better at fighting. Fin can move around all he wants, but he's not killing things better than Jamuka is. Soz, onto some actual negatives about Fin... He has a 0% chance of one-rounding things until he gets the Hero Lance. He has almost constant WTDA and no ranged attacks until you get him a Javelin. He relies on Prayer to have any durability at all, which isn't good compared to Jamuka simply relying on his good stats and not taking counters. Since Fin is using his movement to rush forward for Tactics, he's less durable because he has to fight on the enemy phase, and when he enters combat he's not one-rounding unless he has the Hero Lance. Fin doesn't wtfraep arenas like Jamuka, so he has to fight more in the actual game to gain levels, so he takes more experience from others even with his generation two usage. I don't see why you say this is some advantage anyways. Jamuka can just take a larger amount of experience from the first generation units and Fin can take a smaller amount from both generations, and they're both taking the same amount. Let's toss out some numbers. Level 1 Lance Knight HP: 32 - 70% STR: 9 - 30% +5 MAG: 0 - 5% SKL: 8 - 40% +1 SPD: 10 - 30% +1 LUK: 8 - 50% DEF: 7 - 30% +2 RES: 0 - 5% +3 MOV: 8 Pursuit, Prayer Iron Lance: lol crap and super heavy ftl Fin joins before Jamuka, but he's not turning any heads when he joins. Almost every enemy in the first two chapters gets WTA against him, which is -20 Evd and -20 Hit for him. That's terrible when it's basically against everyone. He has Prayer, but that's not guaranteed, especially with the constant WTDA. He has a horse and Pursuit, and that's about it. He joins with a crappy weapon, even. When Jamuka joins, he's wtfmassiveraep. Level 6 Archer HP: 36 - 90% STR: 11 - 50% +5 MAG: 0 - 0% SKL: 14 - 10% +2 SPD: 14 - 30% +2 LUK: 4 - 40% DEF: 9 - 30% +2 RES: 0 - 5% +3 MOV: 6 Killer Bow: 14 Mt, 100 Hit, 3 Wt Pursuit: Attack twice if his Atk Spd > enemy Atk Spd, which is almost always given his good SPD stat and lightweight Killer Bow. He's way faster than almost every enemy ever, so he should always be doubling things. Continue: Attack twice in a row at Atk Spd + 20% activation. So, it starts off at 31% and ends up at 40%. Duel: Activates 2~20 rounds of combat when HP is above or equal to 25 at unit's Atk Spd - enemy's Atk Spd + HP/2 % chance. Critical: Attack with a critical at SKL = % chance. Starts off at 14% and ends up at 18%. He attacks twice pretty much every time, and has three skills stacked on top of both of those hits. Even against the tanky armour knights of Chapter 2, he'll have a very high shot at one-rounding them. Two shots for Critical, Continue, and Duel all stacked up. H4x. His offense is ridiculous. He has a very terrible SKL growth, but a very good base and a very accurate weapon. Jamuka's offense >>>>>>>>>>>> Fin's. Fin can be like...level 10 and still lose. Also, durability. Fin is often reduced to low HP and relies on Prayer to survive, while Jamuka just has tons and tons more Evd from using a way lighter weapon and having much more SPD and almost never taking counters. Jamuka also beats Fin in HP by a decent amount. 0.5 moar when each at level 6, and then Jamuka's 20% superior growth will kick in and make him win by more and more as the game progresses. Lucky for Fin, he lolleaves before the HP gap gets big. Also, DEF. Fin loses that by 0.5 consistently. Oh, Fin gets +1 from a conversation with Cuan, but still loses in HP. So, now he wins DEF by 0.5 consistently. He has absolutely no concrete durability win, and has tons less Evd. He relies completely on Prayer compared to Jamuka, who just relies on his being amazing. The first generation is much nicer to unmounted units except for Chapter 2, but his being mounted doesn't matter at all in Chapter 1 and actually gives him less movement when Jamuka joins since everyone is in forests. Chapter 2 isn't kind to unmounted units, but Jamuka gains levels from raping two arenas anyways. Chapter 3 is nicer to foot units, and he's definitely doing better as usual. Jamuka's dropping bombs on everyone while Fin is just poking them with a twig. http://eaichu250.superbusnet.com/feartwork...ans/fe3-008.jpg Jamuka looks really bad-ass. He has no problems killing anyone, and his temper and his power back that up. He'll fire a missle at you and you'll just instantly die. Or he'll fire like twenty missles thanks to his skills, actually. Jamuka is royalty, and since his jerk brothers and ancient father all die in Chapter 2, he becomes the King of Verdane. Fin is a commoner. Point for Jamuka. Fin is fit for shining Jamuka's boots and cleaning his bow.
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