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+Ema Skye	Jan 27 2008, 03:39 PM
Snackoos = <3. It's science! Posts: 20,954 Group: Advisor Member #40 Joined: June 9, 2005	First of all, I have a huge problem with the levels you posted. You propose that those are the levels for the start of Chapter 4, yes? Well, here's the exact levels of my party when I played the game trying to use every possible unit in order to not phail in the Experience rank. This means I actually put forth effort into raising Lachesis, but didn't give her any babying. The only unit that got "babying" was Ethlin because she got the Elite Ring to pass down to Leaf. I even held back on Lex a lot due to his Elite. "End of Chapter 3 Ethlin: Level 28.5, Slim Sword, Light Brand, Elite Ring Cuan: Level 17.4, Gae Bolg Fin: Level 20.8, Hero Lance, Javelin After Chapter 3 and Chapter 4's arena... Sigurd: Level 23.2, Silver Sword, Javelin, Speed Ring, Return Ring Noishe: Level 17.5, Steel Sword, Iron Lance, Knight Killer, Iron Cutter Alec: Level 17.3, Steel Sword, Iron Lance Azel: Level 19.5, Elfire, Thunder, Wind, Magic Ring Lex: Level 27.1, Hero Axe, Hand Axe, Shield Ring Midale: Level 12.3, Steel Bow Arden: Level 5.2, Iron Sword Ayra: Level 21.8, Hero Sword, Thunder Sword, Barrier Ring, Knight Ring, Leg Ring Jamuka: Level 21.5, Killer Bow, Hero Bow Edain: Level 17.2, Relive, Warp, Restore Dew: Level 4.1, Iron Sword Holyn: Level 21.2, Silver Sword Beowulf: Level 17.1, Steel Sword, Slim Sword, Wing Clipper Lachesis: Level 13.1, Prayer Sword, Live, Earth Sword, Silver Blade Levin: Level 21.4, Elwind, Libro, Life Ring Fury: Level 16.6, Slim Lance, Steel Lance, Slim Sword, Wind Sword Sylvia: Level 5.4 Tiltyu: Level 11.4, Tron(gains +5 HP from Azel) Claude: Level 23.3, Reserve, Valkyrie, Live, Fire, Thunder Brigid: Level 20.5, Ichival, Skill Ring" This seems to be quite the opposite of what you did, at least with regards to Lachesis. Jamuka is also a bit lower, and this is with constant fielding and clearing every arena he has access to. What exactly are you doing? Forsaking Tactics and overall Experience to level up both of our units extra? Lachesis being limited healing, having very poor combat parameters, and her poor movement makes her difficult to level up that quickly. She can't clear arenas, or win more than 1-2 rounds at all, until she's promoted. That being said, I can't exactly humour your stat comparison from above. Unless I'm horrible at this game or something. When I played through this file, I did pretty well in my Experience rank. Pretty sure it was perfect. "but personal experience" Sure, sort of. What else can we go off when it comes to a rank like this? There's generally no surefire way of getting an S that's used every time the same way, and it's not like every move is predicted and predone for getting these ranks. Quote: Before that, all Jamka really has is being win in the arena's in 2 and 3. lol, no. When Jamuka joins, he's wtfmassiveraep. Level 6 Archer HP: 36 - 90% STR: 11 - 50% MAG: 0 - 0% SKL: 14 - 10% SPD: 14 - 30% LUK: 4 - 40% DEF: 9 - 30% RES: 0 - 5% MOV: 6 Killer Bow: 14 Mt, 100 Hit, 3 Wt Pursuit: Attack twice if his Atk Spd > enemy Atk Spd, which is almost always given his good SPD stat and lightweight Killer Bow. He's way faster than almost every enemy ever, so he should always be doubling things. Continue: Attack twice in a row at Atk Spd + 20% activation. So, it starts off at 31% and ends up at 40%. Duel: Activates 2~20 rounds of combat when HP is above or equal to 25 at unit's Atk Spd - enemy's Atk Spd + HP/2 % chance. Critical: Attack with a critical at SKL = % chance. Starts off at 14% and ends up at 18%. He attacks twice pretty much every time, and has three skills stacked on top of both of those hits. Even against the tanky armour knights of Chapter 2, he'll have a very high shot at one-rounding them. Two shots for Critical, Continue, and Duel all stacked up. H4x. His offense is ridiculous. He has a very terrible SKL growth, but a very good base and a very accurate weapon. Jamuka's offense >>>>>>>>>>>> anything Lachesis can do for the entire game in terms of offense, even with her variety. When Lachesis joins, she's wtfmassivefail. Level 2 Princess HP: 26.0 - 60% STR: 6.0 - 50% MAG: 8.0 - 5% SKL: 9.0 - 10% SPD: 13.0 - 20% LUK: 5.0 - 40% DEF: 7.0 - 20% RES: 9.0 - 10% Bottom tier in offense. Only Edain is losing to her due to having no offense at all. But, Edain's winning durability. Lachesis at joining: 26 HP, 31 Evd w/o weapon, 7 Def, 9 Res Level 8 Edain: 31.5 HP, 35 Evd, 2 Def, 10 Res Considering the weight of swords, Edain is crushing Lachesis in Evd, and then she makes up for her Def loss with a big HP lead. That's really pathetic. So, your entire team is pwning her in offense and defense. You say she's gaining 18 levels by the start of Chapter 4, and I don't even see that as possible without babying her a lot, thus hurting Tactics and the rest of your team. Lachesis's abysmal growths ensure that she won't be changing much until she gets her promotional bonuses. The enemies will increase in stats almost as well as she does as you play through the game, which is pretty sad. Before promotion, she's bottom tier trash. Her only benefits are Charisma and healing, and if she's doing that, she's near the frontlines, and her bottom tier offense and defense makes her a prime target for enemies. She's sharing the Pit of Phailure with Arden and Dierdre in this chapter. Even worse, she has those knights following her around, and they all have to survive in order to get the Knight Ring. She has to be held back due to this. But, it's no loss to your team. Ethlin's a mounted healer, and Edain and Dierdre have bad mobility but they're still there. You also have a good chunk of durable units that don't need healing a lot, like Sigurd, Alec, Noishe, Lex, and Arden. So, Lachesis joins with bottom tier stats and bottom tier growths. In order for her to promote, you have to baby her excessively during a period of huge suck. Jamuka never sucks. He's always good because he starts good and has growths that exist. Jamuka: 255% Lachesis: 215% lol "but he can't counter on enemy phase!" And Lachesis can? If she's attacked at range or up close, she dies. If Jamuka is attacked at range, he counters. If he's attacked up close, he survives easily. Not countering up close >>> high chances of dying when you're attacked regardless. "but prayer sword!" lol, chances. Enemies in this game won't be knocking her down to the proper HP for that in a single blow almost all the time, so she's going to have issues using that effectively, especially when she's twoshotted. Then, it sucks massively against accurate stuff regardless. Quote: During those chapters, Lachesis is just raising her powerlevel with the help of some retard like Ardan. It consumes stave uses and therefore money, but she has plenty of that. She gets the team a lot of bonus goods: Thief Sword, Earth Sword, Knight Ring, etc, so she pays for them by herself. She's not contributing on the main field in Ch2, but that's canceled by Jamka taking away from the EXP pool of others, and then overridden by him being a total complete useless fucknut on enemy phase as well as not doing anything at all before Amphony anyway due to being unmounted. So, she's staying back with Arden, using staves for no reason, and not helping the team even slightly? Interesting. She's even worse than I thought. You don't have to use her in order to use those items at all. Lachesis can get 0 EXP and you can get those items and weapons anyways and just give them to better units. How can you compare not contributing at all to not countering on the enemy phase and using EXP? At least when Jamuka is taking EXP he's killing stuff and making you progress, and then leveling up and getting better. Lachesis is apparently doing nothing at all, and then levels up sometimes and gains 2.15 stats. That's horrible. The first generation is much nicer to unmounted units except for Chapter 2. Chapter 2 isn't kind to unmounted units, but Jamuka gains levels from raping two arenas anyways. Chapter 3 is nicer to foot units, and he's definitely doing better as usual. For the one chapter where being mounted is the best, Lachesis is merely a level 2 Princess with bottom tier stats. No win there. It's actually a huge mobility loss due to her piss-poor durability and needing to keep those twins from dying. Joining as one of the best units and staying that way for a mere fraction of the effort due to pwning enemies and clearing every arena >>> joining as one of the worst units and needing babying to get good at all and then barely winning in the very end of the game. Btw, I'd wager that Lachesis consumes more EXP than Jamuka with regards to how much they take from the team. Jamuka clears arenas for huge loads of free EXP, while Lachesis healing takes EXP from Dierdre for one chapter, Ethlin for two chapters, Edain forever, and Claude, Fury, and Levin later on. Not that Jamuka consuming EXP is a bad thing. He's helping you finish the game and then getting stronger from it. Also, huge lulz @ Lachesis being a good healer. "Lachesis L20 Master Knight Mag: 8.9" Yeah, okay. She can run around healing and healing and healing and it wouldn't make a bit of difference. You have to kill things in order to finish the game, and you have to do tons more killing than healing. Fighting is tons more necessary, so don't even pull "healing utility is better" or some shit.
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