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Nin-Finity	Feb 16 2008, 07:20 PM
Nintend-Fan Posts: 410 Group: FEFFer Member #735 Joined: April 22, 2006	Quote: Their bases are pretty similar. A few minor leads in Tibarn's favor, but no real big differences. They're both gonna be one-rounding things, almost never dying, and have great movement. They'll both be wtfh4x. Nailah is at level 33, and Tibarn is at level 31… yet he already has the superior stats, with even more room to grow. And since their growths are essentially the same, Tibarn will maintain those leads, and widen the gap even more when Nailah runs out of levels to grow. Also, let's not forget that 1 point in each stat basically equals 2. This turns Tibarn's lead into a bigger lead. The only stat Nailah is notably superior in is Luck, and that doesn't double. Quote: In most chapters, Pavise doesn't matter. Why? Because, in a good few chapters, they're both unkillable. They both have nice Def and HP, and they both have h4x Spd and Lck combined with leadership, giving them wtfh4x Avo. …okay, so neither ever dies. So let’s look at what they’re giving to the team. Like you mentioned, Tibarn has Pavise, and at base level, it’s activating nearly half the time. (48% to be exact) As far as skills are concerned, he’s also got Savior for added rescue utility, plus Canto, which Nailah lacks. Also, he’s got 4 authority stars when Nailah only has 3, so the other allies are benefiting more from Tibarn. Both have Shove and mastery skills that will kill literally anything they activate against, so we can put those aside. What does Nailah have that Tibarn doesn’t? Well, pretty much just Glare and lolGuard. So Tibarn’s skill set is easily more beneficial to himself and others. Also, let’s look at bond supports, since we’re considering how these units improve the people around them. Nailah has a bond with Rafiel, while Tibarn has bonds with all 3 of the herons. Now, we’re definitely bringing Reyson to the final chapter, since he’s got the best chanting ability, and the best durability of the 3. That means that 5 out of Nailah’s chapters won’t have Rafiel in them, so Nailah’s bond is rendered useless for the final. Meanwhile, Tibarn will be using his regardless of what heron you choose; Reyson is in his first two chapters no matter what, and you want him in the final as well, so for all seven of Tibarn’s chapters, he’s putting his bond to use, while Nailah’s only matters for 4 chapters. Quote: In Nailah's part one chapters, she's even less vulerable than Tibarn in his respective chapters, because the enemies are so weak in comparison. Ike's part four chapters have hardly any enemies that can do more than 5 damage to and/or hit her, and 4-F isn't much better, for the most part. As you've mentioned before, they're virtually unable to die, so this point is basically pointless and redundant. Quote: Nailah has an advantage of her own: availability. In Nailah's part one chapters, Tibarn can't possibly perform better, because he doesn't exist. She also performs waaaaaaaaaaaay better here than he does in his respective chapters, like I said before. Part one is the hardest part, too, meaning she's needed more. Nailah may have more chapters, but Tibarn is easily more useful in his 7 chapters than she is in her 9. Tibarn already has superior stats, so he’s killing more efficiently. He also has more mobility – flying + immunity to terrain penalties + canto is h4x. He’s getting to enemies and tearing them up faster than she is, so he’s performing way better in Part 4 than she is. He can also rescue units that need help and receives no penalties thanks to Savior, and his authority stars give better boosts than Nailah’s do. Quote: First of all, there's her part one chapters. Two chapters doesn't seem like much of a difference, but like I've said, she has quite a bit more utility than Tibarn in these chapters. She's about ten billion times as stronger than any of your other units there, and more importantly, the enemies. Not only is she uber in 1-8, she's essential in 1-F. Long-range magic, being swarmed by eneimes of all sorts, chests being pilfered and accurate Longbows from above ledges that can more than easily one-round Cai and Raphy. Mr. Whopper can't help here anywhere near as much as Nailah, since his Mov is so much lower and he takes so much longer to climb the ledges. Nailah easily makes it up the ledges, get to far-away spaces, and can one-round any enemy that can attack from afar in a snap. Yeah, she’s about 10 billion times stronger than the enemies… and she’s also getting way less EXP. Even people like Sothe have started to gain more than 1 EXP per fight by this point, so Nailah is just vacuuming the EXP that people like Nolan and Jill so desperately need. Plus you’ve got plenty of other godly units, so Nailah is by no means essential. The BK is arguably better since he has a ranged attack, and you want to bring him to 1-F for the Lehran event. Sothe and Volug are also both mandatory, and both are very strong fighters as well, plus you’ve obtained people like Zihark and Tormod by now, so Nailah isn’t a God among mere mortals… not at all. Quote: 4-1? Fog of War=NOT NICE. Especially when enemies are assaulting you from all sides and getting closer to your weak units every moment. Nailah can easily hold off any enemies you need her to. First of all, weak units aren’t a problem at all on this team. You’ve got Ike and Titania on it for sure, and plenty of other fairly strong units are available, but that part is player’s choice. Secondly, this is Part 4; you know what units you’re using, and by now, most of them have nearly finished their growth, and if there’s a weak one that isn’t fully leveled yet, then you WANT them to get attacked so they can gain EXP, so either way, Nailah isn’t needed to protect the team. Screw you Nailah, Ike and Titania are h4x. Quote: 4-4? Cramped hallways with more reinforcements showing up every turn at the perfect spots to come pick off Tormod and Raphy. Definitly rather annoying. Again, Nailah can hold off any swarm of enemies you need her to without any trouble at all. Pretty much anyone on your team can rape the enemies in this chapter; what makes Nailah so special? She doesn’t have anything special that really makes her stand out, unlike what Tibarn can do in his chapters. Raping enemies? Y halo Ike and Titania, and co. Nailah is nothing special, but who’s competing with Tibarn? Elincia? Raping enemies when the team doesn’t >>> Raping enemies when the team can do that without you. Also, mobility. Tibarn tears up his enemies faster, since he can get there thanks to awesome flying powers. Nailah has no answer to this. In fact, those cramped quarters you mentioned are only slowing her down, whereas Tibarn can just fly over the trees that get in his way. Quote: 4-3? Not a hard chapter at all. No particularly powerful enemies to speak of, and no big surprises beyond anyone's control. Tibarn certainly is uber, but not as essential as Nailah is in her chapters by a longshot. Exactly, because Tibarn doesn’t exist in 4-3. shot Anyways, in 4-2, Tibarn is your most mobile unit in a huge forest chapter. Units like Tauroneo having trouble getting through Thickets? Tibarn doesn’t care. Hell, he can fly over the trees that foot units can’t even move through. So he gets to the enemies quickly, and completely rapes them. That’s way better than whatever Nailah was doing for a team that was already uber without her. Quote: And finally, 4-5. Yes, he definitely helps a good deal here, I'm not denying that. The thing is, the chapter can be finished fairly quickly anyway. Izuka may have powerful attacks and be able to warp, but he's also as easy to rip apart as wet toilet paper. Simply kill him in one turn and the chapter will end right away. This can easily be done without Tibarn. Okay, first, WTF @ killing Izuka in 1 turn. Even if that was possible, you aren’t ending the most EXP abundant chapter in the game in a single turn. So anyways, the laguz don’t stop coming, so let’s stay awhile. After all, tactics rank no longer exists. Tibarn is fantastic here because everyone else struggles to move through the swamp. Tibarn has no terrain penalties, Canto, and Savior. Hell, if you wanted to, he could airlift the team so they could get to the action faster. Or he can get an injured unit out of a tight spot. He can also fly around the map at light speed and gain tons of EXP himself. Plus, when the time comes to actually catch Izuka, Tibarn is pretty much the only one that can do it, since foot units are moving like… 2 spaces per turn through the swamp. So he’s, yet again, incredibly useful. Quote: So, yeah. Nailah's waaaaaaaay more useful in her chapters than Tibarn is in his, and not only because she has more of them. I think we’ve just proven that Tibarn is ~~waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay~~ more useful than Nailah. …wait, did that come out? Sorry, I meant that Tibarn is more useful than Nailah. dual debate by [Elto to the Ninfinity]. xD ~~shut up, nin~~


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