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...So?
When they're both transformed, Tibarn has 2 more HP, 2 more Str, 2 more Skl, and 2 more Spd at base. Nailah has 6 more Mag, 6 more Luck, and 6 more Res. Neither of them should ever die or not one-round something the other will. Both of them are really doing equally here in terms of combat.
Except for the fact that Magic does nothing for royals. And also, Luck AND resistance are not needed because of Tibarn's pavise and >9000 speed. I may agree that they're both doing well with combat. However, in terms of final chapter usefulness, Tibarn will be doing 14 more points more damage(SS weapon has one more attack point that Nailah's, and he ends up with 3(x2) more points in strength than Nailah(x2 because of doubling)).
Also, when considering usefulness against Ashera(aka doubling against her), Tibarn only needs to gain speed in one of his remaining 9 levels while Nailah has to gain speed 3 times in her remaining 7. Her chance of being able to double against Ashera are much much less likely; and considering the fact that her speed growth is 20%... (and this is going by luck too, since her average speed will be slower than Ashera's on average). This means Tibarn will be doing 28(14x2) more damage than Nailah. That makes a big difference when we're dealing with a character of 120+ HP. o_O
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Tibarn doesn't die if he has Pavise. He doesn't die if he doesn't have it. What, exactly, is Pavise doing for him?
Sure, it may have a very small chance of helping out very late in the game. But by then, you'll probably have given it to someone who was actually getting something out of it and will continue to get a significant benefit out of it. Once it's off him, which it will be, it's not a plus for him at all, because if the scroll is equipped back on him, it's the same if it was equipped on Nailah.
Savior can be useful, but it isn't a point for Tibarn, as is explained later in this post. As for authority, it only applies to commanders. Tibarn's applies during 4-2 and 4-5 whether you use him or not, so it's not like using him will benefit the team any more in some way.
Why, exactly, are you debating over that? We basically said that Pavise is an added skill for him, not something he needs. It's not hurting him in any way either. You can't use that against us in any way either. Saying that you can put it on another character is fucking retarded. Anybody can remove any of their non-class skills and it'd be applied in the same way. If you want to play that way, we might as well strip Nailah of her Guard as well. Tibarn will be making better use of it with his high HP. But Guard is still a shit skill, so ROFL.
I'll answer the Savior point later. As for authority stars, it only applies when you're next to the character you want to give boosts to. How are you going to do that while not using Tibarn at all? >_> Meanwhile, Nailah's are useless since she's never the leader. You should've just left it at that, instead of pressing further. We were about to miss the fact that Nailah couldn't make use of her stars anyways, lol.
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Guard can be very helpful to weaker team members, so there's nothing to lol about it. It's more helpful to the rest of the team than Tibarn's Pavise, certainly, and while Savior can be useful, as I said above there's more about why it isn't a point for him later in the post.
On top of that, regardless of capacity, units can only have 6 skills in this game. To fit a new one, Tibarn has to take off either Pavise or Savior, while Nailah doesn't need to remove anything. Seems Canto has actually managed to become a disadvantage for Tibarn.
And it can only affect Nailah's support partner while Savior can help anybody on the team...? lol.
You just said Tibarn didn't need Pavise so we can take that off. Problem solved. Or so you wish that was my answer. Tibarn doesn't need any other skills.
 I'm getting bored of debating with you.
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When, exactly, will a bond support with a HERON be put to use? Herons make units next to them move again, so it's unlikely that Nailah or Tibarn will stay next to them if they're ever next to them at all- Nailah and Tibarn both are supposed to charge at enemies and kill everything anywhere near them. That's definitely not the kind of situation a Heron should be in.
True. It barely applies. But-- 5 chapters of having bond supports > never having them at all.
Yet; it doesn't really count as a strike against Tibarn. Where are your advantages? All you seem to be doing is trying to belittle ours.
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Funny that you say that right after attempting to argue against that point. Hypocrisy ftw?
There's nothing else I can argue about since you guys keep repeating the same thing.
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You can't kill more efficiently than consistent one-rounding. There's almost nothing Nailah won't one-round, and Tibarn certainly isn't gonna kill those few enemies any faster.
Nailah has a point of Move over Tibarn, and takes no penalty from terrain either. Tibarn's ability to fly gives him similar mobility to Nailah, not far more. Canto on a unit like him is as much of a detrment as a benefit because he's unlikely to need it, and it just fills up his capacity.
As said earlier, the fight against Ashera shows how much it matters. And fewer enemies? The final chapter is more than half of their playtime, lol.
Nailah does receive punishment from terrain, just less severely. The swamps in 1-8 will slow her down. Also, Tibarn's flying makes him equal to Nailah? I don't see Nailah leaping over mountains. Oh god, why the skill debate again? He doesn't need skills. He doesn't need to remove anything. Canto can only be a plus; nothing more. So, stop it please. I'm getting tired of repeating the same things.
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Here's that point about Savior I mentioned earlier. Skills can, of course, be reassigned, but while it could be seen as more efficient to leave on Tibarn, his only claim to it is that it doesn't take up capacity on him, which doesn't matter, nulling the entire point. Even you remove his two removable skills, he has 55 capacity and two skills to fill it with. No matter what those skills are, he can fit them and have plenty left over, so there's no reason to necessarily leave his skills on him.
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CrossKnightElto: i don't get that
FESNinFinity: lol
FESNinFinity: That makes zero sense
CrossKnightElto: did he just say that Tibarn can use any skills?
CrossKnightElto: wtf
CrossKnightElto: and have a lot of empty space?
FESNinFinity: XD
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Total Exp gain doesn't matter if there's no Exp rank. Say Nolan would get 20 Exp from a kill. Jill takes the kiill, and Nolan doesn't get the 20 Exp. Nailah takes the kill, and Nolan doesn't get the 20 Exp. No difference.
Say Nolan needs to level. Nailah steals his experience. Nolan doesn't get his level. I don't really get your logic at all. You'd rather have Nailah take all the kills and see your other useful characters sit their and watch?
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Out of all the characters you listed, the only win is Tormod's Str beating Nailah's Mag (since the direct offensive stats would be reversed in comparison for a Mage being compared to a physical unit)... and his Str is way past the amount he'd get something out of anyway, so it doesn't matter. All of Nailah's stats other than Mag are far over the corresponding stat for each other unit, even assuming they somehow get to that kind of level, which isn't happening anyway. Not to mention Nailah's large advantage in mobility over all of them except Volug... Nailah is completely raping here. Far more than Tibarn can ever say for his chapters.
Where did you hide the Black Knight? Under your bed? AKA, the Final Chapter doesn't need you, Nailah. We don't need you hogging any experience when people still need their levels.
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FESNinFinity: LOL LETS GIVE HER PARAGON
FESNinFinity: 2 EXP PER KILL
CrossKnightElto: ROFL
UNLIKE, in part 4. >_>
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While Nailah isn't raping quite as much as in Part I, it's still unquestionable that she's winning here.
Nailah's ability to protect your weaker units is far from useless. There are several characters you'll want to be protecting, one in particular being Rafiel, and with things like darkness hiding the advancing enemies, the ability to shield them from being attacked is very important. Nailah, being your best unit in that area, is definitely very useful because of that.
And still sucking up all of mama's experience. </3
Several? I only know of one that can have a slight chance of dying in this chapter. AKA, Rafiel. You should have the walls blocked off. And then, there are only two pegasus knights to worry about; who can be plucked off by Haar or something. I thought you said earlier that Nailah was meant for attacking anyways. o_O
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Nailah is the best character you have there in just about every way. What about that doesn't stand out?
Nailah is better than Ike and Titania, and Elincia is definitely competing with Tibarn. There are several other h4x units assigned only to his team as well, so Tibarn certainly isn't without competition.
Raping enemies when the team doesn't is certainly far better than raping enemies when the team can do that without you. Of course, Tibarn is never raping enemies when the team doesn't. Nailah, on the other hand, definitely is, at least during Part I.
She's still being a bitch and eating my experience.
Elincia x Tibarn supporting sounds sexy. She's mainly a healer so she can leech off of Tibarn's sexy leadership and support bonuses. What other "h4x units" can fly? Reyson? Because we all know he's going to be on the front lines.
Yeah, she's still breast feeding off my experience...
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Tibarn may be more mobile, but Nailah is still mobile enough to do anything she'll need to. Beast Laguz are the most mobile of the ground-based units... and Ike's group needs flying units the least, so they won't be there. Nailah has better mobility than any other unit you're still using that was sent with Ike's group, while Tibarn can't say the same about characters matching his mobility in his group.
Titania matches her movement in 4-1. Plus she has Canto, which will allow her to move after attacking. Oh, and so can Tibarn. But not Nailah, no not her. ;-;
Tibarn has people that can match his mobility. So what? It's not like any characters are even close to being as h4x as Tibarn.
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There aren't many places where you have to cross trees in the level, and Tibarn can't fly over the central area, the main thing you'd want to get over. It's not like he's your only flying unit, either.
Elincia can't cross over the central area either, so wtf.
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The Laguz don't stop coming, so if you're abusing them, you don't care about how fast you kill them. Stop contradicting yourself.
His ability to gain tons of Exp himself doesn't help anyone else, and it's not like he needs much anyway.
"Catch" Izuka? Interesting that you'd say that when you also mention that you'll be abusing the chapter for Exp. If you don't care about how long you take, Izuka's Rewarp Staff will be gone before you try to kill him, making it easy to reach him without Tibarn if you don't care about how long you take... which you don't. Even if it mattered, it's not like he's your only flier, with characters like Elincia around.
Tibarn isn't useful at all in 4-5. No one can be, because performance doesn't matter when you don't care about completing the chapter quickly and can easily one-round the boss.
Because everybody wants to spend more than an hour trying to gain experience, right? That doesn't change the fact that Tibarn can help lift allies over to the laguz either. >_>
Yes, but it makes it easier for him to earn experience as this is a chapter with the biggest benefits to all units, thanks to the nonstop enemies.
It's still going to take you awhile to get over there, even if he runs out of rewarps. Muddy swamp is a pain. By the way, you mean "with Elincia" not "with characters like Elincia", right?
As said before, you might not care, but others don't want to spend so much time waiting for their characters to move about. Tibarn can easily savior the characters over. :richie:
I am tired. : O
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11:33 PM Nov 25
