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Tino	Jun 16 2008, 09:19 AM
Posts: 158 Group: FEFFer Member #1,594 Joined: December 17, 2007	Quote: Aw, but that's boring. Isadora is hot and awesome and has white armour. That's pwn. You can't just ignore that. Yes you can. Dorcas is a manly man. That’s even more pwn than white armor (and she’s not hot). Quote: Not a good thing for the Experience rank. He also still loses massively to people like Marcus, Oswin, and Hector anyways. It’s a good thing for the other Ranks, though. And Isadora can’t kill effectively, so she also doesn’t gain much Experience. Quote: Isadora can use axes. Axes are pwn. Isadora can use axes and still be faster than Dorcas anyways with her shitty CON and all. Isadora already has three weapons without taking a promotional item. Isadora's advantage against fliers is that she can double them. Isadora indeed has h4x WT control. Even though she will be faster, she won’t be doubling much more than Dorcas. 12 AS with an Iron Axe and 11 AS with a Hand Axe doesn’t make you double much more than with 10 AS with a Steel Axe. Quote: Let's give Dorcas a level lead and see what their Atk Spds are. 20/5 Dorcas: 10 Atk Spd 20/1 Isadora: 16 Atk Spd normally, 12 w/ Iron Axe, 10 w/ Hand Axe, 14 w/ Iron Lance, 11 w/ Javelin -Dorcas can never increase his Atk Spd while Isadora has options to allow her to double when she can't with stronger weapons. -Dorcas can not obtain Evd boosts in almost every situation. Even when losing Atk Spd from using a heavy weapon, if Isadora gets WTA in the process, she's gaining Evd. -This comparison is at lower levels; Isadora will gain EXP faster and has a much better Spd growth, so her Atk Spd wins only become larger as the game goes on, and eventually her Atk Spd wins are astronomical. -With the weaker, lighter weapons she might be able to double, she still hasn’t enough power to kill enemies. 21 Att with an Iron Axe is seriously nothing. And then she doesn’t even double. 20 Att with an Iron Lance also doesn’t let her kill enemies, because she might still not double or doesn’t have enough Strength. -What are you talking about? Against lance users, he has an Avoid boost. From Oswin and Geitz he gets an Avoid boost. Oswin and Geitz are pretty likely to be with him, so that’s not a problem. Isadora can choose whenever she gets this boost, sure, but she’s supportless, which is an advantage for Dorcas. -Astronomical AS wins don’t mean anything if you don’t have the Strength to actually kill. Quote: lol @ Isadora not doubling Isadora doubling Mercenaries with an Iron Sword > Dorcas just hitting them once for the same damage. Isadora has two shots at critical to one-round them and gains more Wpn Exp in the process. Isadora getting WTA with a lance > Dorcas not being able to. You're insisting on Isadora using steel weapons all the time or some shit. Oh sure, Isadora has such a big chance of landing a Crit /sarcasm. I have never said something about Isadora using Steel weapons all the time. I don’t know where you just got that shit from. Also, Dorcas has a much better chance of landing a Crit in one hit than Isadora has in two hits. 20/5 Dorcas has ~25 Crit, which means that he has a 25% chance to Crit. Isadora has 6 Crit, so she has a 11.28% chance to Crit. Winner = Dorcas. Quote: No, he's raping it since you said he comes in at a high level due to Lyn's Story. Then when Isadora joins, she's at a lower level than Dorcas, and thus benefits the Experience Rank more when both are around together. Isadora already costs 10,000 Gold less by default due to not taking a promotional item. That's a lot of killer weapons right there. Er… Got me there xD No wait. Dorcas can actually kill from time to time if he’s using a slayer-type weapon (such as Hammer). Isadora’s Strength is so low that even with an Hammer she can’t kill a Knight or something. Dorcas can also one-shot fliers with his bows. So because Dorcas kills more enemies, he gets more experience and helps the Experience Rank more. Dorcas uses uber cheap weapons. He can use a 11 Mt weapon for only 12G per use. He can easily afford Killer weapons, too. Quote: lol @ Isadora not having B Geitz when Geitz has nobody else. More lol @ Bartre being fielded. Dorcas is already taking a Hero Crest. Guy and Raven are amazing and want to promote. That's already making it bad for Bartre. Too bad Bartre is a terrible unit anyways. He's slower than snake shit, starts off terrible, and is a burden. Also, why are you comparing something that doesn't exist? Those supports won't exist at those levels, so this comparison is worthless. It doesn't exist in the game. It's not worth actually countering. K. Then Isadora gets B Geitz. Fine. A Oswin/B Geitz is fine with me, too. It’s probably even better for Dorcas, so thanks for pointing it out ;). Quote: -Dorcas's massive Atk still doesn't let him OHKO consistently without slayers, which cost extra moneyz, and he already took 10,000 Gold to promote. If Dorcas gets to use such weapons, Isadora can spam whatever she wants. -Isadora now loses Hit by an amount that means nothing, wins Crit, wins Evd by a lot, gained a point in Def and Res, and now wins Crit Evd by a small amount. -Isadora can opt for a Killing Edge, which, given an S in swords, will boost her Crit by 5, give her 4 more Atk Spd, and 8 more Evd. Dorcas doesn't have options like this. -Isadora can spam whatever weapon she wants. It’s not like it lets her kill much more compared to Dorcas. Plus, there are magic users later in the game, which Dorcas actually can kill with his massive Att. Dorcas can also easily kill fliers. -So you’re implying that 11 Avoid, 1 Res and 4 CE > 18 HP and 5 Def? Let me laugh out loud at that. Lololol. Seriously, 18 HP and 5 Defense is easily much better than 11 Avoid and 4 useless points of CE. 1 Resistance also doesn’t make a difference. -Dorcas counters this with being able to switch to bows to OHKO fliers. Quote: Oops, B Geitz just gave Isadora a larger Evd lead, decreased Dorcas's Def lead, gave Isadora a Res and Crit Evd lead, and Isadora has WT control options and can increase her Evd by using lighter weapons while Dorcas can't. Who wins durabilty now? Who wins durability now? Dorcas, of course. Seriously, Dorcas can switch to the back row, picking enemies off with his bow, which means he won’t be taking any damage. I think you are heavily underestimating an 18 HP lead. Dorcas almost has 1.5x as much HP as Isadora, which is a lot at this point. Quote: -Horseslaying weapons are extremely rare and she can easily avoid them with WT control and supports. What a worthless point. -8 Mov + occassional move again >>> 6 Mov + nothing else to boost mobility. This is better than being able to one-shot a few flying units that everyone rapes anyways. -True, they’re rare. And sure, she can avoid them. However, there still is a chance that she gets hit by them. So worthless point? Don’t think so. -Everyone? No. Wyverns are actually pretty strong enemies with which, for example, Isadora will have trouble killing, while Dorcas can one-shot them.


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