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+Ema Skye	Jun 16 2008, 05:13 PM
Snackoos = <3. It's science! Posts: 20,966 Group: Advisor Member #40 Joined: June 9, 2005	Quote: Yes you can. Dorcas is a manly man. That’s even more pwn than white armor (and she’s not hot). She's hot. Everyone here, even the girls, would rather have sex with Isadora than Dorcas. Prove me wrong. Quote: It’s a good thing for the other Ranks, though. And Isadora can’t kill effectively, so she also doesn’t gain much Experience. Marcus owns for Tactics, Survival, and Funds already in the earlygame. Dorcas isn't doing anything special. He's not surviving the best. He's not killing the best. He's just a giant chunk of HP that does a lot of damage in one hit. Isadora starts off promoted. She's not crying over not gaining kill EXP when it's basically the same as just hitting enemies. Also, she one-rounds every enemy in her starting chapter consistently besides Eubans, lol. The swordreaver axe fighters are one-rounded by her with an iron lance and can't hit her, and even the guys with lancereavers are balls against her when she's using just an iron axe. When she's got WTA, which is very often, the enemies are very likely to miss, and then just die. Quote: Even though she will be faster, she won’t be doubling much more than Dorcas. 12 AS with an Iron Axe and 11 AS with a Hand Axe doesn’t make you double much more than with 10 AS with a Steel Axe. That's at base. Isadora will gain Spd quickly. As the game progresses, the Spd gap gets larger and larger until Isadora is much faster even with those heavier axes. It also doesn't change the fact that even at the best possible comparison for levels while Isadora is using axes she's still faster than Dorcas. Quote: -With the weaker, lighter weapons she might be able to double, she still hasn’t enough power to kill enemies. 21 Att with an Iron Axe is seriously nothing. And then she doesn’t even double. 20 Att with an Iron Lance also doesn’t let her kill enemies, because she might still not double or doesn’t have enough Strength. -What are you talking about? Against lance users, he has an Avoid boost. From Oswin and Geitz he gets an Avoid boost. Oswin and Geitz are pretty likely to be with him, so that’s not a problem. Isadora can choose whenever she gets this boost, sure, but she’s supportless, which is an advantage for Dorcas. -Astronomical AS wins don’t mean anything if you don’t have the Strength to actually kill. -She one-rounds everything in her joining chapter with weaker weapons. She requires a Steel Sword for the Wyverns, and that's it. Iron Lance lets her kill the Swordreaver Fighters. Iron Axe lets her kill the Lancereaver Cavaliers. Anything lets her kill the magic users. -Dorcas can obtain an Evd boost against lances and has supports. Isadora has supports shortly after joining, so that advantage disappears quickly. Isadora can have WTA against all non-magic/non-bow units in the entire game. Dorcas can't do that. That was my point. -If Isadora doesn't have the Atk to kill, her Crit is massive with supports. She can afford to use Killers because she costs 10,000 Gold less than people like Dorcas. Quote: Oh sure, Isadora has such a big chance of landing a Crit /sarcasm. I have never said something about Isadora using Steel weapons all the time. I don’t know where you just got that shit from. Also, Dorcas has a much better chance of landing a Crit in one hit than Isadora has in two hits. 20/5 Dorcas has ~25 Crit, which means that he has a 25% chance to Crit. Isadora has 6 Crit, so she has a 11.28% chance to Crit. Winner = Dorcas. You have alerted my Bullshit Detector with your assumption on Dorcas's Crit. 20/5 Dorcas has 8 base Crit, and then A Oswin grants him 7 more, making that 15 Crit. He has no supports with Geitz on a chapter Geitz just joined in. Are you assuming Bartre? If so, lol @ that nonsense. Quote: Er… Got me there xD No wait. Dorcas can actually kill from time to time if he’s using a slayer-type weapon (such as Hammer). Isadora’s Strength is so low that even with an Hammer she can’t kill a Knight or something. Dorcas can also one-shot fliers with his bows. So because Dorcas kills more enemies, he gets more experience and helps the Experience Rank more. Dorcas uses uber cheap weapons. He can use a 11 Mt weapon for only 12G per use. He can easily afford Killer weapons, too. Indeed. Isadora is better for the Experience Rank. Those are expensive. Isadora's Atk is high enough to let her consistently one-round unpromoted enemies, and she can also use slayers. This game's EXP cuts are gay. You get basically the same for a kill that you get for just fighting. Dorcas being able to one-shot with slayers/bows-vs-fliers doesn't mean he's gaining more EXP than Isadora. Isadora just fighting at her lower level makes her gain more EXP than Dorcas scoring a kill. Dorcas uses cheap weapons indeed...but he costs 10,000 Gold more by default due to promoting. Quote: -Isadora can spam whatever weapon she wants. It’s not like it lets her kill much more compared to Dorcas. Plus, there are magic users later in the game, which Dorcas actually can kill with his massive Att. Dorcas can also easily kill fliers. -So you’re implying that 11 Avoid, 1 Res and 4 CE > 18 HP and 5 Def? Let me laugh out loud at that. Lololol. Seriously, 18 HP and 5 Defense is easily much better than 11 Avoid and 4 useless points of CE. 1 Resistance also doesn’t make a difference. -Dorcas counters this with being able to switch to bows to OHKO fliers. -Isadora doubling with a Killer later on = h4x. She'll have +~60 Crit to her Skl base Crit, and her Crit can shoot up to ~70 consistently in the lategame with her supports. Compound that with the slayers available and she rapes with good-weapon spamming. -I'm implying that 11 Evd that turns into 26 vs axes and 41 vs swords is good. -Lol @ comparing Isadora's vast weapon selection and options for lighter weapons to allow her to double everything to Dorcas equipping a weapon to kill only a specific type of enemy and then that weapon not allowing him to counter on the enemy phase. That was a joke, right? Quote: Who wins durability now? Dorcas, of course. Seriously, Dorcas can switch to the back row, picking enemies off with his bow, which means he won’t be taking any damage. I think you are heavily underestimating an 18 HP lead. Dorcas almost has 1.5x as much HP as Isadora, which is a lot at this point. 11 Evd that turns into 26 vs axes and 41 vs swords is good means she doesn't get hit. If Dorcas is using a bow, he's either shielded off so that his durability doesn't matter anyways or he's bait for enemies on the enemy phase and doesn't even counter them. That's just earlier shit, too. 20/15 Isadora: A Harken/B Lowen or Geitz Base Evd: 87.3 Vs Axes: 102.3 Vs Lances: 94.3 Vs Swords: 98.3 20/16 Dorcas: A Oswin/B Geitz Base Evd: 67.2 Vs Axes: 67.2 Vs Lances: 82.2 Vs Swords: 52.2 lmao, not even close. Isadora basically never gets hit. WTA compounded with terrain in the lategame makes her untouchable. Vs Victory or Death Enemies Silver Lance!General: 0 Hit on Isadora, 14.8 Hit on Dorcas. Silver Bow!Sniper: 17.7 Hit on Isadora, 37.8 Hit on Dorcas. Silver Lance!Wyvern Lord: 8.7 Hit on Isadora, 20.8 Hit on Dorcas. Silver Sword!Hero: 23.7 Hit on Isadora, 69.8 Hit or 54.8 Hit on Dorcas without him being able to counter. Isadora can't be hit by anything while in a forest or fort. Dorcas can still be hit. Dorcas has 12 Atk Spd. Isadora has 23 Atk Spd. Isadora doubles every single enemy besides the single Swordmaster. Dorcas can't double Limstella, Wyvern Lords, Snipers, Druids, Wyvern Riders, Paladins, Heroes, the Swordmaster, Noman Troopers, Warriors, Sages, Valkyries, or Falco Knights. Dorcas gets doubled by Heroes, the Swordmaster, and Nomad Troopers. Dorcas's abysmal Res lets the magic users do massive damage to him. With his supporters nearby, the Shamans do 12 damage, Druids do 23 damage, Sages do 17-22 damage, Valkyries do 15 damage, and Limstella does 28-29 damage. He doesn't have the Evd to handle these guys, either. Quote: -True, they’re rare. And sure, she can avoid them. However, there still is a chance that she gets hit by them. So worthless point? Don’t think so. -Everyone? No. Wyverns are actually pretty strong enemies with which, for example, Isadora will have trouble killing, while Dorcas can one-shot them. -Her getting hit by a Horseslayer would require her being near the one or two left in the game instead of someone else and her getting hit by a very low Hit chance. Worthless point indeed since it's going to happen 1/10000000 playthroughs. -Isadora can double Wyvern Riders with a Killer Axe, and one critical is enough to kill Wyvern Lords. Dorcas can't double either, and can't one-shot Wyvern Lords.
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