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Mekkah	Jun 23 2008, 09:47 AM
Posts: 667 Group: FEFFer Member #1,400 Joined: July 24, 2007	Neimi has pink hair. Her promoted class is Ranger. Logic dictates that Neimi is actually the Pink Power Ranger, disguised as a crybaby in FE8 as to not give away her identity. Until today, this has not been discovered. Joshua gives himself away as Prince of Jehnna after Ch14. Winner: Neimi. That's not her only win though. Neimi also has much better attacking range. Joshua is locked to 1-range forever, Neimi is locked to 2-range before promotion. That alone is better. Neimi can attack enemies from eight different places around them, Joshua only from four, giving her the versatility of standing next to support partners and out of other enemy range. She can attack enemies that are 7 spaces away, while Joshua can only attack those that are 6 spaces away. And this works in a radius around them. Then, the majority of enemies in this game have either 2-range or 1-2 range (there's more of those than 1-range, obviously). Neimi always counters 2-range and can be positioned so that she counters 1-2 range. Joshua never counters 2-range, and can never be positioned so that he counters 1-2 range. In addition, Neimi is easier to put behind a frontline of walls than Joshua is, since there's only 4 squares where she can be attacked from without countering, while there is eight for Joshua. Finally, Neimi counters enemy Longbows and can even be positioned so that she counters the dangerous Stone spell, and gets a horse upon promotion that allows her to attack from 9 squares away with a sword, 10 squares with a bow and 11 with a Longbow. Supports. Colm is pretty much always in play and it's the fastest support in the game, so she gets that. Garcia is Mid, and she ties the support in speed with Seth while Ross beats her, so she is very likely getting that, especially since Neimi/Garcia is Fire/Fire. Gilliam has no trouble filling up, but since Neimi helps him on his weak point (offense and avo), it's not out of the world that he wants her. Amelia is garbage, but if she's in play, she'll take her. Joshua has Natasha in the bag, but from there it gets difficult. Innes blows and is slow (and half the time, extremely late due to Eph route), so he's counted out. L'Arachel blows as well. Marisa blows. Leaves us Gerik, who is again late half the time due to Ephraim route. They also both support Arthur, and if Arthur is given the choice, he'll take Neimi. Faster, starts a chapter earlier and better bonuses. Which brings me to affinities: Joshua is Wind, which is basically Neimi's Fire minus Avo plus Crt Avo, so it pretty much blows cock. 4/6 of his entire support list is Ice, giving them full Hit and Crt Avo, the worst two bonuses. Neimi has the second best, arguably the best affinity (at least the best offensive one). This means that when people choose between Neimi and someone else (with all other variables equal), they'll take Neimi, while if people need to choose between Joshua and someone else, they'll often take someone else. Demonstrated perfectly by Arthur, who takes Neimi's full Avo over Joshua's half. And he doesn't have room for both, because of Lute being his A. Joshua is likely to go with only Natasha for his A while waiting for Gerik for his B, and that support hardly even benefits Natasha, because she cannot attack before promotion and she has no business taking hits from anything. Promotion. Neimi is the only person who can use an Orion's Bolt, so she never has trouble promoting, and can promote before 20 if she so desires to get access to swords earlier, S-rank bows earlier, and generally rape enemies earlier with her promotion bonuses. Joshua shares a Hero Crest with Gerik, Marisa, Ross and Garcia. No matter how you slice it, he's worse off than Neimi here. On Eirika route, you only get one Hero Crest before Ch14, and that's also the route where Gerik happens to be good, so Joshua is bound to get in the way for promotion here. Add the possibilities of Garcia, Ross or even Marisa in play, and it becomes worse. On Ephraim route, he's better off. With all of the above in mind, Neimi doesn't even have to win combat to claim a win over Joshua. But for a quick glance: 20/1 Neimi - A Colm, B Garcia 20.0 atk, 18.9 AS, 65.8 hit, 33.3 crit - - 68.8 avo, 30.0 hp, 10.0 def, 13.0 res, 14.0 critavo 20/1 Joshua - A Natasha, B Arthur 17.2 atk, 19.9 AS, 69.9 hit, 36.6 crit - - 63.3 avo, 41.0 hp, 12.0 def, 8.0 res, 36.5 critavo 3 Atk vs 1 AS, 4 Hit and 3.3 Crt? Doing 6 more damage per double > all that. Neimi wins offense. Joshua wins defense on raw stats (5.5 Avo, 11 HP, 2 Def, 22.5 CEV), however, Neimi takes much much less counters. In addition to this, Neimi gets better weaponry. Nobody else mains bows except Innes, and he sucks. This means goodies such as Killer/Brave/Silver Bow and indeed Nidhogg are pretty much hers for taking - indeed, she's adding the offense of that to the team, as it's highly likely you would not have had them otherwise. The list of other units that can use good swords is much larger: Seth, Franz, Kyle, Forde, Eirika, Gerik and Colm, for one. There's more units who can use swords and will probably reach C at least, such as Falco Tana/Vanessa, Gilliam, Hero Ross, Hero Garcia and even Neimi herself. Menawhile, the only other units who can even weild bows are Warrior Garcia, Ranger Gerik and Warrior Ross, and the Warriors are inferior promotion paths due to the lack of Spd gain upon promotion, which these units so desperately need. more good supports + better affinity + benefitting support partners more + better combat + better attacking range + better weapons + no promo issues > hat


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