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Mekkah	Sep 7 2008, 05:02 AM
Posts: 667 Group: FEFFer Member #1,400 Joined: July 24, 2007	Quote: Harken is at least twice as good as Karel, so it's indeed pretty terrible to get Karel instead instead. The Brave Sword is much better than the Wo Doa. Harken actually offers supports to the team while Karel really doesn't. You might not even be using Harken anyway, in which case there's no penalty. Brave Sword is better, but not by so much that it matters. Your sword users don't really care about taking counters, and it also hurts their Avo. It may help Lowen to double more reliably, that's it. Supports? Yeah, two or three Cs by endgame, maybe a B with Isadora, who is only Mid tier anyway. The people who Harken supports can also support each other for the most part. Quote: Fiora isn't that special. In fact, I've always found her to be quite terrible. Florina will have lots of earlygame time and supports under her belt before Fiora even exists, as well as a sizable level lead of nearly 10 if she's actively in play thanks to Lyn's little part of the game. Florina crushes Fiora in offense for pretty much the whole game. Uhh, lots of supports? She'll have C Lyn. She can't have Fiora, Farina, Ninian or Nino yet obviously. Serra takes 81 turns, Hector 38. The 22-turn B with Lyn probably won't be there either - they don't start together in Noble Lady, then they have Whereabouts Unknown I guess, then Port of Badon Lyn is not getting fielded, while Florina's only use is getting houses (she gets raped by pirates). Then Dread Isle and Fiora joins. Quote: as well as a sizable level lead of nearly 10 if she's actively in play thanks to Lyn's little part of the game. So, you suggest that Florina is nearly 17/0 when Fiora joins? Lol. Maybe assuming she gets 1.3 levels per chapter, that's ~16/0 for her, but obviously you can't gain 1.3 levels per Lyn Mode chapter (lol L1 enemies, plus other people want EXP too), and Florina is heavily restricted in Noble Lady, Whereabouts Unknown and Port of Badon (and also Pirate Ship to an extent). If Florina is really that far ahead, she's a candidate for EXP rank raping. It's more like being 7/0 at the end of Lyn Mode, and from there 1.3 level for three chapters (she's in four, but gotta take into account the bow restriction). We'll say 11/0. 7/0 Fiora Iron Lance: 15.0 atk, 10.0 AS - - 26.0 avo, 21.0 hp, 6.0 def, 7.0 res 11/0 Florina (C Lyn) Iron Lance: 17.0 atk, 10.5 AS - - 33.0 avo, 23.0 hp, 5.5 def, 7.5 res I see Florina winning, but not crushing. Now Fiora catches up. 17/0 Fiora (C Sain, C Florina) Iron Lance: 20.5 atk, 14.9 AS - - 38.8 avo, 28.0 hp, 8.0 def, 12.0 res 18/0 Florina (B Lyn, C Fiora) Iron Lance: 21.8 atk, 14.1 AS - - 43.7 avo, 27.2 hp, 7.5 def, 10.9 res Lol, it's getting debatable now. 20/2 Fiora (B Sain, B Florina) Iron Lance: 25.9 atk, 17.5 AS - - 45.2 avo, 35.8 hp, 11.8 def, 17.0 res 20/2 Florina (A Lyn, B Florina) Iron Lance: 27.0 atk, 16.4 AS - - 49.8 avo, 34.0 hp, 10.0 def, 14.0 res Still no huge difference. Obviously Florina is better, but the two should be pretty much together on any tier list, with Florina one spot above Fiora, imo. I mean, how would you justify that a unit can be better than one, but not the other? Quote: I think I made some topic at FEP explaining that Canas is really overrated. I already told you that topic is trash. Based on logic from the Stone Age. "lol canas costs so much more money and he's worse than Erk and Lucius so no need 4 him" Quote: When he joins, he dies in 2 hits from anything and can't one-round anything. In fact, he pretty much can't one-round anything until he promotes. peoples aren't one-rounding yet anyway. For dying in two hits... 8/0 Canas - 21 HP, 5 Def, 8 Res 12/0 Erk - 24.1 HP, 4.2 Def, 8.4 Res 15/0 Serra - 24 HP, 4.1 Def, 12.7 Res And these people are in High. Quote: Since he sucks at countering due to fraility, his 1~2 range isn't a benefit until he promotes beyond him being able to attack on his turn safely. He survives one hit from most enemies, two hits from Nomads/Mercs. Enough to be exposed when desired. And then he rapes magic, like in 19x, he can sit outside the barrier raping all those Mages, and on Pirate Ship, he's decent against Shamans. Quote: Nosferatu and Luna are pretty situational, as well as limited and expensive. The same could be said for Hector's Wolf Beil. Except Canas gets more of these. Expensive? Silver Card > funds. Quote: Rebecca has lots of earlygame time doing what Canas would be doing later, which is just pecking at enemies and hiding behind everyone else. Except Canas can actually fight on enemy phase sometimes, doesn't take counters from Archers and has hax Res. And then Canas gets close to promotion/promotes and gets hax staves and can rape enemies on enemy phase with no worries. Quote: She'll be at a higher level than Canas and actually have supports before Canas joins. 10/0 Rebecca, C Lowen Iron Bow: 14.6 atk, 11.4 AS - - 36.3 avo, 22.4 hp, 4.3 def, 3.7 res 8/0 Canas Flux: 17.0 atk, 7.0 AS - - 21.0 avo, 21.0 hp, 5.0 def, 8.0 res 4.4 AS, 1.4 hp, 15.3 avo vs 2.4 atk, 0.7 def, 4.3 res, 1-range, hits on Res ~_~ Quote: Competition for the first Orion's Bolt doesn't even exist, so she'll promote without problems much sooner than Canas will because of her level lead and not having several good units wanting her promotional item. You get three Guiding Rings and the Earth Seal until Ch24, which is pretty much Canas' natural promotion time anyways. Usually you have one healer + Erk already in play, so you'd need old frail Lucius or a secondary healer for Canas to even need the Earth Seal. Rebecca's level lead shrinks, however, due to Canas having faster natural EXP gain and the option of fighting on enemy phase, so they might just promote at the same time. Quote: Heath can sit on your team and just peck at enemies and occassionally get kills and still be a much better unit than Jaffar by the time Jaffar finally joins. Saying that Heath's failure never changes is absurd. He has good growths and powerful bases for his level. He gains EXP quickly. Where is this Heath hate coming from? http://www.feplanet.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=32331 http://www.feplanet.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=26676 In case you didn't notice, Heath's offense and defense fail. Yes, he has high bases for his level. But his level is insanely low. Nino and Farina could boast the same. If Heath pecks at an enemy, he's going to take a counter. That, or he's stealing a kill that someone else sets up for him, which is just as fail. Or he uses a Javelin - more fail, this time in the hit department. He doesn't gain EXP quickly - again, for his level, yes, but his inferior combat performance doesn't allow him to fight as often as good peoples, so that cancels out, and then he may not even get fielded in some maps due to limited space and being outright terrible (think Genesis), so even less Heath then. Jaffar, however, has niches such as Lockpicking and gasp one-rounding CoD Valks at base level. And EXP bonus (class) + EXP bonus (Silencer).


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