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+Ema Skye	Sep 8 2008, 12:23 AM
Snackoos = <3. It's science! Posts: 20,966 Group: Advisor Member #40 Joined: June 9, 2005	Quote: You might not even be using Harken anyway, in which case there's no penalty. Brave Sword is better, but not by so much that it matters. Your sword users don't really care about taking counters, and it also hurts their Avo. It may help Lowen to double more reliably, that's it. Supports? Yeah, two or three Cs by endgame, maybe a B with Isadora, who is only Mid tier anyway. The people who Harken supports can also support each other for the most part. Even if you're not using Harken, you're losing out on a weapon that lets slow people double or lets you not take counters. On top of not getting the weapon as well as a very good unit, you're getting a sucky unit. Karel is abysmal. His durability is nearly bottom tier due to his terrible HP and his Def is nothing special. He also not only lacks supports in general, but his affinity sucks for not giving Evd. Quote: Uhh, lots of supports? She'll have C Lyn. She can't have Fiora, Farina, Ninian or Nino yet obviously. Serra takes 81 turns, Hector 38. The 22-turn B with Lyn probably won't be there either - they don't start together in Noble Lady, then they have Whereabouts Unknown I guess, then Port of Badon Lyn is not getting fielded, while Florina's only use is getting houses (she gets raped by pirates). Then Dread Isle and Fiora joins. Lots of time, not really lots of supports. You appeared to have completely skipped the Pirate Ship chapter, which easily gives Florina and Lyn their B and the C with Hector if you do that support. Quote: It's more like being 7/0 at the end of Lyn Mode, and from there 1.3 level for three chapters (she's in four, but gotta take into account the bow restriction). We'll say 11/0. 7/0 Fiora Iron Lance: 15.0 atk, 10.0 AS - - 26.0 avo, 21.0 hp, 6.0 def, 7.0 res 11/0 Florina (C Lyn) Iron Lance: 17.0 atk, 10.5 AS - - 33.0 avo, 23.0 hp, 5.5 def, 7.5 res I see Florina winning, but not crushing. Now Fiora catches up. 17/0 Fiora (C Sain, C Florina) Iron Lance: 20.5 atk, 14.9 AS - - 38.8 avo, 28.0 hp, 8.0 def, 12.0 res 18/0 Florina (B Lyn, C Fiora) Iron Lance: 21.8 atk, 14.1 AS - - 43.7 avo, 27.2 hp, 7.5 def, 10.9 res Lol, it's getting debatable now. 20/2 Fiora (B Sain, B Florina) Iron Lance: 25.9 atk, 17.5 AS - - 45.2 avo, 35.8 hp, 11.8 def, 17.0 res 20/2 Florina (A Lyn, B Florina) Iron Lance: 27.0 atk, 16.4 AS - - 49.8 avo, 34.0 hp, 10.0 def, 14.0 res Still no huge difference. Obviously Florina is better, but the two should be pretty much together on any tier list, with Florina one spot above Fiora, imo. I mean, how would you justify that a unit can be better than one, but not the other? B Lyn. You forgot a whole chapter where Florina is actually awesome. Which also boosts her level. I also find her to be absolutely necessary in Lyn's mode to S Tactics, meaning she gets 1 more level than you gave her from my experiences. So Florina is actually better than what you put down, and the gap is pretty big at first. The gap at first is larger, which means the rest of the stuff you put down is a bit inaccurate. I see more than one spot of difference between them. Quote: peoples aren't one-rounding yet anyway. For dying in two hits... 8/0 Canas - 21 HP, 5 Def, 8 Res 12/0 Erk - 24.1 HP, 4.2 Def, 8.4 Res 15/0 Serra - 24 HP, 4.1 Def, 12.7 Res And these people are in High. Marcus is one-rounding. Erk often does. Hector, Lyn, Oswin, and Sain can OHKO with slayer/prf weapons. Kent can one-round sometimes. Guy can sometimes. Canas's offense when he first joins is bottom tier. He can't double and he doesn't even do more with his one hit than anyone else would with their turn. And he can actually miss, lol. I'd put Erk a bit higher in level, tbqh. He has a large portion of Lyn's story and then he joins pretty early in HHM. I'd put him at 14/0 at the point Canas joins. Erk's generally not taking attacks, and even when he is, he's much better off than Canas with hopefully C Serra by now and better Evd by a lot. Why does Serra's defensive parameters really matter, btw? You also left out her Evd, lol. Quote: He survives one hit from most enemies, two hits from Nomads/Mercs. Enough to be exposed when desired. And then he rapes magic, like in 19x, he can sit outside the barrier raping all those Mages, and on Pirate Ship, he's decent against Shamans. He survives a single enemy. Enemies attack in groups and love picking on crappy units like Canas. He'll die. Anyone can rape those low level, shitty enemies. Quote: The same could be said for Hector's Wolf Beil. Except Canas gets more of these. Expensive? Silver Card > funds. Hector won't need the Wolf Beil to one-round anymore by the time it breaks, and he does get another one. Canas gets 2 Lunas and Nosferatus, IIRC, and both are very heavy and only situationally good. Quote: Except Canas can actually fight on enemy phase sometimes, doesn't take counters from Archers and has hax Res. And then Canas gets close to promotion/promotes and gets hax staves and can rape enemies on enemy phase with no worries. If Canas had good durability, then he could fight on enemy phase well, but he really can't. When Rebecca gets attacked, it's not like she gets hit anyways. Her Evd is generally the highest in the game. In fact, I'm nearly certain her Evd is the best in the game, and then her HP/Def/Res are enough to make up for getting hit twice anyways. Rebecca kills anything she attacks without much problems later on. She has the same period of suck early on that Canas does, except hers starts earlier and she has supports and less suck by the time Canas joins. Her suck period is also the same as Marcus's God period, so there's a God around to make sure she's fine. Quote: 10/0 Rebecca, C Lowen Iron Bow: 14.6 atk, 11.4 AS - - 36.3 avo, 22.4 hp, 4.3 def, 3.7 res 8/0 Canas Flux: 17.0 atk, 7.0 AS - - 21.0 avo, 21.0 hp, 5.0 def, 8.0 res 4.4 AS, 1.4 hp, 15.3 avo vs 2.4 atk, 0.7 def, 4.3 res, 1-range, hits on Res ~_~ Man, I'm never going to understand why every other top debater puts units 1-2 levels lower than what I get them to in the game, and I'm a Marcus/Oswin lover. >_>; Quote: You get three Guiding Rings and the Earth Seal until Ch24, which is pretty much Canas' natural promotion time anyways. Usually you have one healer + Erk already in play, so you'd need old frail Lucius or a secondary healer for Canas to even need the Earth Seal. Rebecca's level lead shrinks, however, due to Canas having faster natural EXP gain and the option of fighting on enemy phase, so they might just promote at the same time. Uh...no, they will not promote at the same time. Canas dies if he fights on the enemy phase. Priscilla is amazing and almost always in play, so that's usually three promotional items already taken up for the magic users. I concede about Heath. I forgot to take Jaffar's EXP boost and utility against those faggot Valks into account.
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