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Soja	Nov 22 2008, 02:46 AM
Gentle Water, Crashing Waves Posts: 5,175 Group: Global Moderator Member #451 Joined: October 15, 2005	Yzarc Individuality...I believe that a person's "individual" personality is formed by how he is raised combined with his experiences. Well, how a person is raised and the experiences he or she goes through is largely determined based on the kind of society he or she grows up in. You are half right. But you continue to give society too much credit when most of the influence goes to the person's rearing. The kind of role model a parent or parents play is a bigger determination in someone's personality than a society, depending on whether or not the parent follows societal mores. Oftentimes they do not. It then goes back to a moral grounding, and it is from there that an individual's choice will be made. Quote: I'm just saying that it is in fact formed by your socioeconomic standing, race, gender and other variables that affect your every day life. If a higher number of those impoverished commit murder than those more well off, well that says that it has more to do with class than...Some other variable? I don't know what other variable you could possibly point to. It's obviously not biology, or there wouldn't be more people in poverty committing these kinds of crimes. I doubt the first part very much. The only thing my race has affected is my ability to speak and understand another language, and perhaps to feel some attachment to the land of my ancestry. Gender is more correct, I think, since there is actual biochemistry that differs between the sexes and has an effect on one's mentality in regards to other people. Socioeconomic standing is the weakest of the variables you listed. Upbringing is the most important variable you omitted; someone with good parents, regardless of their socioeconomic standing, is far less likely to break the law than someone whose parents have been neglectful or apathetic. Quote: Okay? From what I can tell, you have no point here other than to say "Sociologists have no idea what they're talking about" and if that's your point then I don't really think there's anything left to argue, because you're obviously ignorant of how society works and how it affects people, and that's kind of my entire base of argument. It'd be like trying to explain calculus to a dog. I'm not saying you're as smart as a dog. Charming. That wasn't my point at all, although I don't believe that what some sociologists preach is infallible. Besides, there are multiple camps in sociology as there are in any scientific field. I fall in with the ones that believe that close acquaintances have a larger influence on a person than the society as a whole. And even then, it's only somewhat uncommon that someone will deviate from what's expected of them for one reason or another. Rebellion occurs frequently, for better or for worse. My main point in that last statement in my prior post was that if a person has a strong moral standard, he or she is very, very unlikely to commit a major crime or misdemeanor in spite of his or her economic or social class, which you say is a large variable in why people commit major crimes. To say that society is the chief component in pushing someone towards or away from crime is to strip the individual of responsibility, saying that it's not his fault he stabbed his wife in the face. Quote: That's highly untrue. Most people in the lower class were born in the lower class. Most people born in the lower class are more likely than not to stay in the lower class. You seem to believe that it is impossible or at the very least highly unlikely that people can move up in the ranks simply because they were born into a state of poverty. The classes aren't static; they are constantly changing with people leaving them and falling into them, and what have you. I say you're still discounting the responsibility an individual has over him or herself. We aren't a perfect meritocracy in the United States, but the saying "you reap what you sow" still holds true in this country, perhaps more than any other. Someone born into wealth can very easily squander it away as well, you know. Edited by Soja, Nov 22 2008, 02:47 AM.
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