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+Reaver	Jan 25 2009, 11:22 AM
Troll Posts: 8,615 Group: Advisor Member #47 Joined: June 9, 2005	Dwight D. Eisenhower Jan 24 2009, 03:07 PM I never said I was 100% against torture. He did. Unless I have a flawed view of what it means to be a hypocrite, that means he is and I'm not. (Not like I actually called him one anyways) You're against torture and you're slamming Obama for being against torture 99% of the time, allowing for small concessions, yet you too would agree that torture is necessary in some cases. You can't slam Obama for doing the same things you believe, making the small concession when necessary. Dwight D. Eisenhower I just think that when you justify torturing to save tens of thousands, then you justify for saving a hundred people, then dozens. Where's the cut-off? If for example you think torturing someone to save five lives is okay, I'd argue that you'd be allowed to torture the vast majority of Gitmo, since most terrorist attacks kill more than that number, and most probably could tell you the name of one other member. Then your 99% turns into 10% of cases. Grave, lasting, and certain. Understandably thousands and tens of thousands warrant torture, but getting names and whatnot wouldn't make any sense because they aren't going to really help us. After all, we know who Osama Bin Laden is but we couldn't find him even if we tortured every prisoner at Guantanamo. Obviously it takes proper restraint to ensure that torture doesn't go too far, but in some cases it IS justified. Dwight D Eisenhower I mean personally, I'm all about WWJD, and I can't see JC cracking someone's skull open. This is where I present to you the case of "love your neighbor". Jesus told us to love our neighbor just as we love ourselves. If that means using cruel and unusual punishment to save 10,000 of our neighbors, we must love our neighbors by causing pain to another neighbor.
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