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| The American Government | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 10 2005, 08:58 AM (414 Views) | |
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Jun 10 2005, 08:58 AM Post #1 |
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I need a good rant+debate. =D Almost every day I think about the screw-ups that are in office right now. In this rant, I'll be discussing why the government sucks, how it could get better, and so forth. The first screw-up that the government made when it started out was dividing parties. There are fuckers out there who will only vote for the person in their party. If Dave Chapelle ran for president and was in the Republican party, they'd vote for him. That is where the voting system of democracy fails. Now, onto the current government. President Bush, which you obviously know, is a bumbling idiot. However, he is merely a scapegoat for the ignorant Democrats to throw their anger at. The real power behind the government today is Dick Cheney, and the rest of his goons. They really control the country, and are vicious for more income and profit for the already-rich. Why do you think we've invaded Iraq? To set them free? Ha. Fuck no. I knew that all along, we were there for the oil. I knew it, and nobody else I knew wanted to believe it. But one fateful day, a newscast was published announcing Bush's plan to set up oil plants on ex-military posts. And that was my day of gloating. In my opinion, the voting system needs to go. As do the parties. We need to elect one lawmaking body without any executive head, where all representatives have an equal say in things. Challenge me, please. =D |
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| Cyrus | Jun 10 2005, 09:13 AM Post #2 |
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I can't say I'm much of a political person, but I'm pretty sure Bush didn't invade Iraq for oil. What happens when oil is more scarce and in high demand? Oil prices sore, which is good for oil companies (Especially with all the big cars around these days) Why would Bush invade Iraq for oil? The oil companies would just probably have another war with Bush because the price of oil would drop so much. Oil companies don't want the price of oil to drop. |
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Jun 10 2005, 09:31 AM Post #3 |
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Bush would invade Iraq for oil because Iraq is plentiful in oil, and even if it is for a short period of time, it gives him more financial power. |
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| +Santi | Jun 10 2005, 11:20 AM Post #4 |
Da Niggaz Leader
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Oil was behind the war. They just keep trying to come up with bullshit reasons to throw at the pub;lic. First was there story about the WMDs, which, of course, were never found. Then try to justify it agin by saying Saddam was an evil dictator, and that they must catch him. What happened after they caught Saddam? "We're trying to establish a democracy." I seriously think they're going to run out of ideas soon. |
   
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| Thundering Dynamo | Jun 10 2005, 11:25 AM Post #5 |
The Party Has Arrived
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Just having one party would kind of be like a monarchy. I believe that anyone that wants to, has the money, and is well known enough should run for president. I do agree that Bush was a bad choice but we have him and we still have 3 more years with him and we have to deal with that. |
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| Sword Saint | Jun 10 2005, 11:26 AM Post #6 |
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Political parties need to go, of course. Hell, George Washinton HIMSELF warned the young United States against them. The idea isn't having ONE political party; it's having NONE AT ALL. We do, however, need the executive branch; it exists to keep the legislature in check. If you have no real executive power, you WILL eventually get one group completely and potentially unfairly dominating the legislature. Having the executive and judiciary branches helps reduce the odds of total dominance of any one group...Unfortunately, that can still happen. What really needs to go is the electoral college: It was created for a purpose most don't even remember any longer, and it interferes with a direct popular vote for a president. Why we're in Iraq is no long as important as cleaning up the war damages, giving the new government time to establish itself, and getting the Hell out. The U.S. has enough enemies merely existing, and fighting a war for ANY reason seems only to make the situation worse. Only when our "allies" are threatened themselves is our military presence welcomed, and we would do well to remember that most of these nations just plain don't like us. |
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Jun 10 2005, 11:40 AM Post #7 |
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Bold'd, because I'm don't like quotes. =. |
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Jun 10 2005, 01:10 PM Post #8 |
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Bush's going to Iraq for oil is just stupid... Trying to invent a good alternative would've been better because: 1. Our soldiers wouldn't have died. 2. It would've actually been USEFUL. 3. Bush would look good. 4. America would become even more rich (until the alternative's formula is stolen/sold) 5. More of #3. I find that the American Government is working fine. What do we have to complain about? We get to live fine, there is enough food, jobs are OK, we are treated fairly. <_< Thats all. |
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| Hospitality | Jun 10 2005, 04:10 PM Post #9 |
My rooming is horrible.
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T_T edited bottom part of last post due to lack of respect. |
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Jun 10 2005, 04:13 PM Post #10 |
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You can't edit out someone's opinion, this is the debate forum, Neo. T_T; |
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| Hospitality | Jun 10 2005, 04:14 PM Post #11 |
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My rooming is horrible.
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T_T That included Racial groups and encourage discrimination? In caps. .__.;.... |
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| Jester | Jun 10 2005, 04:16 PM Post #12 |
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Yeah Guillaume, you went a little overboard with the Immagration thing. Tone it down. Ranting won't get you're point across. But I also think this contry is doing well and that Bush is a damn good president. He pulled us through 9/11 without the economy collasping didn't he? And with the whole WMD thing I'd rather be safe than sorry. |
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| FireEmblemgirl | Jun 10 2005, 06:09 PM Post #13 |
I never took the time to take the arrows out of my back
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I agree with you on most points Richie. And I'm glad that someone else out there sees that Bush is just a bumbling fool and isn't in charge here. Heh, heh, I dare someone to argue against me on that point. I once debated against seven people on that topic. They didn't stand a chance. But I frown upon pointing the finger solely on the American government. Humans are corrupt, horrible, cruel, creatures and that's why I hate mankind. But we are also compassionate and loving to those we love and some people to others around them and that is why I love mankind. However in life our flaws stand out more than our good traits... Yes the American government is severly corrupt but is it as corrupt as a monarchy where a king can have you killed for just looking at him funny? No it's not as bad as that. |
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Not Waving but Drowning Nobody heard him, the dead man, But still he lay moaning: I was much further out than you thought And not waving but drowning. Poor chap, he always loved larking And now he's dead It must have been too cold for him his heart gave way, They said. Oh, no no no, it was too cold always (Still the dead one lay moaning) I was much too far out all my life And not waving but drowning. -Stevie Smith | |
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Jun 10 2005, 06:23 PM Post #14 |
goku ownz vejeta!!!!
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Dave Chapelle would be a good president...
 Yes, Bush is an idiot, unfortunately, we're stuck with him for the next 2 and a half years. I don't think we were in Iraq only for oil though. I believe the main reason, was for Bush to finish up his fathers failed attempt to stop Sadam. Oil was just something Bush saw as a nice addition. Our government isn't perfect, but it is definantly better than many other governments in the world. Democracy is nice sometimes, being able to choose who your president is, even if sometimes the side with the majority of the votes loses. >_>; |
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| Sword Saint | Jun 10 2005, 08:39 PM Post #15 |
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Failed? You're kidding, right? Iraq was a legitimate military presence in the world before the First Gulf War. We utterly annihilated their military, and it never did recover. If we had chosen not to merely liberate occupied nations, but to actually INVADE Iraq, Saddam would have been quickly and soundly defeated. We even had U.N. support to do such. The reason we did not probably had more to do with the fact that the war was one of liberation, not termination. |
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