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| Topic Started: Jun 11 2005, 11:58 PM (495 Views) | |
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Jun 11 2005, 11:58 PM Post #1 |
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I'm going to personally be watching this one, so if ANYONE goes out of line, AT ALL, this is gone. K? Now, this topic is obviously to discuss your and other religious beliefs. My personal beliefs are that of an, well, agnostic is the actual term for it. I do not believe in god, nor heaven or hell. I do believe that Jesus Christ existed, but I do not believe that he was the savior sent from god to, er, die on the cross to save us from sin... Why? Because I'm a highly scientific person. I have extreme trouble in believing anything without actual scientific proof, so I really can't have faith in something... Which is really what religion comes down to, faith. Believing in something so dearly that you'll persist no matter what. Which is something I lack. |
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| BloodRain | Jun 12 2005, 12:03 AM Post #2 |
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I agree with Richie in some parts. I am more of a scientific believer. I believe what is proven and I'll leave it to science to prove everything that isn't. Yes maybe a Jesus Christ did exist, therefore the book, the Bible was created. Is there a higher power? I don't know, it will not matter in my life time. I do not believe in heaven or hell either. I do get scared sometimes wondering where I got after I die, but I believe you go to where-ever destination you believe you will go. I believe that possibly I will vanish forever, and if there is a heaven and I manage to get into it, then so be it. God cannot punish me for believing what I see and what is proven, that would just be an unjust god wouldn't it? hah. |
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| Thundering Dynamo | Jun 12 2005, 12:04 AM Post #3 |
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Well as a Catholic I believe in God with every inch of my soul. With you giving yourself that title, it offends me and it might offend more Catholics like me. I would really appreciate it if you will get rid of that title just as a request. |
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Jun 12 2005, 12:05 AM Post #4 |
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See, the Christian religion, in my humble opinion, is based a lot on fear. Fear that if you don't obey god, you will face eternal pain and suffering in hell... I think people should be able to worship in a religion without the burden of thinking that if you do something wrong you'll face eternal pain and suffering. =/ @Johnny: Only for you. 
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| Thundering Dynamo | Jun 12 2005, 12:08 AM Post #5 |
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I know that if I do something wrong and I ask for forgiveness I will be forgiven. And you don't have to know for sure about something. Thats what makes believing actually believing. No I have never met my lord but I still believe in him because I have hopes and beliefs. SR: Right back at you 
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Jun 12 2005, 12:09 AM Post #6 |
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Which is where I ultimately fail in religion, because I can't simply have hopes and beliefs, I need some kind of proof for my mind to believe in it. =/ |
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| Sword Saint | Jun 12 2005, 12:31 AM Post #7 |
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Technically speaking, I'm also agnostic; I'll believe "it" when I see "it," and that goes for both science and religion. Since neither can effecitvely disprove the other, and both share characteristics that are rather notable, I'm skeptical to devote myself to either side specifically. |
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| Rhapsody | Jun 12 2005, 07:31 AM Post #8 |
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Yours truly is an Athiest/Satanist. Now, allow me to explain what the foundations of Satanism (in my case, at least) are. Satanism does not revolve around submission to any superior deity. YOU are supreme. You don't actually have to believe in Satan to be Satanist, or God, for that matter. Jesus existed. 'Kay? Good. Was he the son of God? No. Will he save us from sin? No, humanity is so screwed over that it can't be saved from "sin". ((Off topic: that sounds like a villager would say in a debate in FF10... XD...) Heaven? Doesn't exist, and so does anything that's too good to be true. It's something to aim for in life. Hell? Hell was invented in the 1400s to keep the masses under control, which is a little-known fact. Seven layers of death in several fiery ways? Unfortunately for all believers of hell, but that doesn't exist, either. If I'm the one to be asked, major religions are basically the opiate of the masses. Politicians use them to gain followers more then out of actual belief in them. If you have spoken to God, and God has answered you, then that's actually a bad thing -- you heard a voice that's not there. Translation? You're insane, buddy. God's only point in existing? As I stated, to be the opiate of the masses, and as psychological support to those that feel loved. What is religion? State-Endorsed Insanity. All problems with this post are to be brought to me on AIM, since I probably will not read any responses to this topic. |
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| Willfor | Jun 12 2005, 07:59 AM Post #9 |
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I am a (really) old-fashioned Pentecostal person. I believe life only really starts after death, and that my body is just a shell for my soul and spirit. I also think that even though this life is full of corruption, moral depravity, and utter BS, it is still a gift. I will not be dictated what my opinion should be by a person. I have based my world views on what God cares about and not what people care about. Unfortunately, my views are called invalid because the book I base my life on is older then the books the people calling it invalid are basing their lives on =/ |
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| Conan O'Brien | Jun 12 2005, 08:51 AM Post #10 |
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I was shcoked, personally. I studied the "Dark Arts" of Christianity personally, in otherwords I went and looked at what the Atheists had to say. Unfortunately, I was disappointed. 25% was "there's no proof", 25% was "it's the opium of the masses", and about everybody said, "What about all those wars?". The Christians seemed much more adapt at proving their point. I read an excellent book called The Case for Christ. That was the last straw. I was staying. Maybe people said either Jesus was a liar, or his statements were twisted after his death. he disproved both of those. Some people more said Jesus never was resurected. Shoved that back in their faces. It was beautiful. Many people argue the Bible is just a book. It is also one of the most historically acurate books in the world. Only in the Book of Luke, there are 71 references to cities or countries, 56 people, and 12 waterways. It is all completely acurate.
God delibarately stopped making huge miracles in His name after Jesus. He said He was reaching a time where people would face great choices, and God Himself would be put on trial. If He simply appeared, than peope couldn't love Him. If everybody was devoid of choice, than the love He shared with everybody wouldn't actually be love. And frankly, I'm going to personally ignore Rhapsody's post. A Satanist is frankly, idiotic and unreasonable. He's probably the one hearing voices. |
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| Willfor | Jun 12 2005, 09:02 AM Post #11 |
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I refer you to the book of Acts... |
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| Hound of Cullann | Jun 12 2005, 09:07 AM Post #12 |
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Atheist. As far as I'm concerned, there is no god. Some stuff: - I do not deny the existence of Jesus Christ. I do not, however, believe he was the son of God, but do believe, like the Islamic world, that he was a prophet for a belief. - I do not believe the bible could have been translated correctly, because the language it was first written in was only spoken by a few peole in the Roman Judea district. It is now spoken in one small village in Yemen. - If there is a God, he is not a good one. What kind of glorious figure robs my cousin's life on 9/11, makes one of my uncles a victim of the IRA, and robs my girlfriend of her ability to make life? And all of his followers waging ruthless, blodthirsty wars just to glorify his name (Crusades). He is not a just thing. -Science. Too much stuff to get into right now, so I'll elaborate later. |
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| Willfor | Jun 12 2005, 09:15 AM Post #13 |
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... It was written in two languages. Hebrew, (fluently spoken by any scholar of the old testament) and Koine Greek (The variation of greek spread far and wide by Alexander the Great, uniting a large portion of the known world in a common language for a time). Maybe the old testament is a little hard to translate now, but the new one was written in a language that is extremely similar to modern Greek. In fact, I have a basic understanding of Koine Greek, Ευχαριστω |
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| Conan O'Brien | Jun 12 2005, 09:19 AM Post #14 |
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Ah, yes. The whole if-God-is-so-good-how-come-bad-stuff-happens thing. Well essantially, we brought this upon ourselves. Or rather, Adam and Eve did. And Satan. One bite of the apple, and humanity's screwed. If you somehow end up in Heaven, Jaffar, and we find Adam, I hold, you punch. One also can't live in a world of good and evil and expect only the good. I know, it sucks. But it's worth it in the long run. Now for the stupid Crusades thing. Listen folks, the Church could say the God wants us all to stand on our heads for two hours evey Sunday. Is that God's will? No, it's the Church's. The crusades was the will of the Church, not of God. The Church is more civil today, but unfortunately back than it was a greedy organiziation. Martin Luther even said the Pope was the Antichrist. The old Church was evil. Everyone else just listened. |
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| Hound of Cullann | Jun 12 2005, 09:21 AM Post #15 |
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Ah, Koine Greek. I still refer to that as Old Macedonian. Glad to see someone else who knows what that is, though. Do remember that the Hebrew today is much different from the launguage speoken by the Israelite people today. No language lives that long, and the closest would be Greek and Gaelic. As for Greek, I thought all of those with Greek Blood were pretty much banned from West Asia Minor, down into the Palestine lands and to Bablyon? I could have sworn that once Rome and the Maccabees beat the living shit out of Diadochi Anthiochus' Arche Seleuka, they were all expelled from Asia. |
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