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| FE7 Newbie Question Thread | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 8 2006, 11:10 PM (2,478 Views) | |
| Tzomg | Dec 24 2006, 05:32 AM Post #91 |
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Well, this thread doesn't seem too active, but I thought I'd try here first. If you're going for an S ranking in Hector Hard Mode, what's the best use of the experience and stat boosting items in Lyn Hard Mode? Given that there are so many mediocre characters in LHM that will go on the bench ASAP in HHM it's reasonable to try to focus XP on just one or two. Serra and Nils have autonomous XP growth, so they aren't too relevant. I believe that you can run Lyn up to about level 14-15, for example, without scumming regenerating bosses or similar (and thus keep S rank in LHM). However, Lyn won't get promoted for a long, long time, after Hector, with an expensive item to boot, and it's hard not to use Guy in HHM at the level he becomes available. He gives you most of the functionality of Lyn with a cheaper, much earlier promotion item. It does allow you to (mostly) bench Eliwood and still get Geitz, though. You could level up Sain or Kent instead. It will probably be more difficult to S LHM while depending on them compared to Lyn, since they won't be able to Manni Kati most bosses in one turn, but they can make up some time in movement. Florina not getting terrain bonuses is a pain for triggering counterattacks. Her damage output is very anemic and it takes a long time before she can reliably double with an iron spear. You could powerlevel Erk, since he's pretty apt to double Fire, but Pent exists. Dorcas is generally terrible and could never S rank LHM. Lucius will use up his magic book too quickly to powerlevel and he comes back in HHM late anyway. Wil is useless for counterattacking, as is Rath. Wallace is useless in general (in General?). Matthew is only marginally useful for combat very early in HHM. So, I'd say it comes down to Lyn, Sain or Kent. Erk is an outside candidate, maybe if you're very sick of using Pent. Florina will be a very serious pain in LHM while going for an S rank, and the later game fliers outclass her heavily in HHM. So, which, and where do you put the +7 hp robe and +2 str/mag ring? |
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| Psiwri | Dec 24 2006, 05:51 AM Post #92 |
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Of those, only Lyn and Erk would be needing of the HP, and only Kent and Lyn would be needing of the STR boost. If you plan to use lyn as a major unit I suggest giving her both. It's the most solid choice of the lot IMO. |
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| C475_1337 | Dec 24 2006, 11:28 AM Post #93 |
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If you actually want to S Rank LHM? Not sure how that would factor in, but this is generally what I'd do. Lucius is someone that you want to be using in HHM, moreso than Erk for sure. The robe probably goes to him, unless he gets Hp blessed or someone else gets badly screwed. It's not too unreasonable to give it to Lyn or Florina instead. Florina outclassed lategame? No. If she is it's only by a very tiny margin, and she has the fastest Support in the game with Lyn. She's worth considering. Kent and Sain are worth a shot, too, though I would only train one of them at most. The Ring should just go to whoever got the worst RNs with their Str. |
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| Tzomg | Dec 24 2006, 12:27 PM Post #94 |
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Well, otherwise you could just scum everyone up to 20/0 at Lundgren, among other exploits. How would you know, for example, how much healing or recharge XP for Serra or Nils goes from fair to exploit? I think going for the S ranking for LHM means I don't have to make a bunch of little judgement calls. I also don't know how the tactician ratings from LHM are carried over, or if they are at all.
Possibly, but he's not a good XP sink in LHM, since he's only got so many shots of Lightning with no way to get more until the last bit of Chapter 10. My 14-15 level estimate for the main XP sink means there's enough stuff on the side for Lucius to burn most of his book with double attacks and for Matthew to be helpful in the first HHM level. If you methodically kill as many opponents as possible in LHM with one character with no regard for rank you can get all the way to high 18 or low 19 without any boss scumming.
Alright, she's not seriously outclassed, but she needs a lot of babying to start with and she'll run out of Slim Lances pretty fast trying to eat LHM experience. Her tanking gets pretty iffy holding an iron lance with no terrain bonuses to make up the evade, and she'll have a hard time double attacking. I'm also personally biased against unpromoted flyers, since I don't have the fog of war maps memorized and one archer can ruin my day on a failed evade. |
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| C475_1337 | Dec 24 2006, 04:35 PM Post #95 |
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Your LHM Rating does not affect your Rating in the main campaign at all. The vast majority of people do not care about Ranks for LHM in the least. They see it only as a place to prepare for the main game. There’s no way to justify one way to play the game over another in things like this. At the same time, most people do not bother to abuse everything to hell and back in LHM. Abusing everyone takes hours and hours and is totally unnecessary. I just wouldn’t assume that the game is always being played a certain way. The majority of people actually do not even care about Ranks at all, even for the main campaign.
Why are you only using 1-2 units in LHM, again? No, he doesn’t have enough to solo the next 3-4 Chapters, but 35 uses is plenty enough to get him by as part of a team.
18 or 19? You sure? Even when I only used Lyn for LHM I never got above LvL 15. And Lyn literally can kill more enemies than anyone else in LHM. Anyway, I don’t see what this has to do with Lucius.
What game are you playing? LHM is laughably easy, no one needs help there, not even Florina. Those Merc reinforcements in the top right corner of Chapter 4 provide a fountain of almost completely free Exp for her. Fiora and Heath, whom you say outclass Florina, need much more “babying” than her. |
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| Tzomg | Dec 24 2006, 06:05 PM Post #96 |
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Eh, I'm not judging other people, but I like the objectivity granted by ranks, and I like the urgency of fretting over how many turns I'm taking. I'm obviously not going to get off on an S rank in LHM, but it provides a specific context for decisions in the same way as trying to S rank harder stuff, just on a smaller scale. It's just my taste, it's no knock on anyone that doesn't want to do it.
Yep - Sain or Kent can, at least. Sain sticks a Lancereaver into Lundren, dings 19, LHM over. The first level of HHM with low level Matthew then requires you waste a lot of Wolf Biels, though. 
Just to see what can be done, really. That, and I need all the help I can get for S ranking HHM with my limited experience. In that context, every experience point given to someone who isn't going to be a constant core team member is a waste. The early HHM battles encourage you to use (and thus divert experience towards) the decent characters available, like Lowen for example. If I'm going to boot a HHM character from the core team in favor of a rejoining Lyn character, I'm losing the experience harvested by him or her (either that, or I made HHM battles harder by not using available characters and thus probably hurting my tactics and battle ranks). So, just having a nice spread of levels in the LHM characters will result in me having a lot of characters that will be net liabilities. As an example, using Sain or Kent essentially requires you to boot either Oswin or Lowen (characters that are completely necessary for early S-Rank HHM and who have probably acquired a lot of experience by chapter 16) since you can't get a third Knight Crest until the game is almost over. A level 8 or so Sain/Kent is never going to be worth doing that.
I was talking in the context of trying to keep up a tactics score - that's hard to do with archer dodging (the primary "babying", a word I wish I hadn't used now) and the trouble Florina has with knocking out generic enemies in one round for a few chapters. It's a minor point I don't really care to defend, and it's probably possible to S rank LHM and still stick quite a bit of XP on Florina. Given how early you can get an Elysian Whip it's probably even one of the better outcomes. |
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| Marth-chan | Dec 30 2006, 10:33 PM Post #97 |
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This is probably the dumbest question you've heard all day. But since we're on the subject, how do you start the Hector and Hard modes? I finally beat the game during a Christmass Party last Friday and wasn't sure how to start them. And I have one more question. When using weapons, your rank with that weapon increases. I know that. However, what I want to know is: Does using a better weapon increase the rank faster? Or does it not matter. Like using a Silver Weapon over a Steel one. Will the rank increase faster? And do you get more experience by using a better weapon? I'm sorry if I'm interrupting anything. |
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| +Hollie | Dec 30 2006, 10:54 PM Post #98 |
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Just start Lyn's Mode how you normally would. After you beat that, it'll give you an option to start Hector's mode. It's a bit harder, so if you're new, I suggest you just stick with Easy. IMO, the story is much better. . . . Then again I'm a Hector Fangirl. As for weapon experience, I believe it increases for different weapons. Most by only one, so a silver lance probably would give the same as a steel lance. You can find the weapon experience at EFED, I believe. Just click the banner at the top of the page, and look under Weapon Stats in FE7. |
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| Simon | Dec 31 2006, 01:17 PM Post #99 |
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Hollie got the Hector and Hard Mode bit, so I'll elaborate on the weaponry. To find how much weapon exp you need, hit CTRL+F and type in "# <weapon>," where # is the amount of weapon exp and <weapon> is the weapon type. 1 Sword EXP: Iron Sword, Slim Sword, Steel Sword, Silver Sword, Poison Sword, Brave Sword, Shamshir, Killing Edge, Armourslayer, Wyrmslayer, Light Brand, Runesword, Zanbato, Shadowkiller, Sieglinde, Audhulma*, Wind Sword 2 Sword EXP: Iron Blade, Steel Blade, Silver Blade, Rapier, Lancereaver 1 Lance EXP: Iron Lance, Slim Lance, Silver Lance, Toxin Lance, Brave Lance, Killer Lane, Javelin, Spear, Bright Lance, Dragonspear, Vidofnir*, Siegmund, Heavy Spear, Short Spear 2 Lance EXP: Steel Lance, Axereaver, Reginleif 1 Axe EXP: Iron Axe, Silver Axe, Poison Axe, Brave Axe, Killer Axe, Halberd, Hand Axe, Tomahawk, Swordslayer, Hatchet, Dragon Axe, Fiendcleaver, Battle Axe, Garm* 2 Axe EXP: Steel Axe, Hammer 8 Axe EXP: Devil Axe 1 Bow EXP: Iron Bow, Steel Bow, Silver Bow, Poison Bow, Killer Bow, Brave Bow, Longbow, Beacon Bow, Nidhogg* 2 Bow EXP: Short Bow 4 Bow EXP: Ballista, Iron Ballista, Killer Ballista 1 Staff EXP: Latona* 2 Staff EXP: Heal 3 Staff EXP: Mend, Recover, Physic, Restore 4 Staff EXP: Barrier 5 Staff EXP: Fortify, Silence, Sleep, Berserk, Unlock 7 Staff EXP: Warp, Rescue 8 Staff EXP: Hammerne 1 Anima EXP: Fire, Thunder, Bolting, Fimbulvetr, Excalibur*, Alacalibur 2 Anima EXP: Elfire 1 Dark EXP: Flux, Luna, Nosferatu, Fenrir, Naglfar* 3 Dark EXP: Gleipnir* 5 Dark EXP: Stone 8 Dark EXP: Eclipse 1 Light EXP: Lightning, Divine, Aura, Ivaldi* 2 Light EXP: Shine 3 Light EXP: Purge EDIT: *Really* late edit, but that list was (clearly) for FE8. The WEXP carries over, though; just replace the FE8 S weapons with their FE7 counterparts or ignore them entirely, since their WEXP gain is completely irrelevant anyway. Also ignore monster weapons. ;>_> |
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| Marth-chan | Dec 31 2006, 08:55 PM Post #100 |
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I'm still working on finding a ROM for Rekka no ken, so I can't check my weapon EXP there. XP But thank you for the list, that was what I wanted to know about. I appriciate it! :D |
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| Reikken | Apr 23 2007, 11:20 PM Post #101 |
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Do half bonuses from supports stack? |
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| +Ema Skye | Apr 23 2007, 11:25 PM Post #102 |
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Yes, newbie.  You mean like if you have two supports that give .5 Def, will you get 1 Def when you have both supports near you? Yes indeed, unless I am mistaken like a nub. |
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| Reikken | Apr 24 2007, 12:13 AM Post #103 |
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Yes, that is what I mean. Okay, thanks. |
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| Reikken | May 14 2007, 01:24 AM Post #104 |
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 Why does accepting 13x hurt my tactics rank? |
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| Light Yagami | May 14 2007, 01:46 AM Post #105 |
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...Does it really? or are you doing something you shouldn't be doing in that chapter? 
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