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| Topic Started: Aug 31 2006, 06:28 PM (228 Views) | |
| +Ema Skye | Aug 31 2006, 06:28 PM Post #1 |
Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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The rules should be known by now. Three posts each. Bosco starts it off. |
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| Jake Marshall | Sep 3 2006, 08:18 PM Post #2 |
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Sorry for taking so long. Trying desperately to stay away from FEF. >_> Shinon is one of the best, and most useful characters in the game. He joins on chapter 3 as another powerful prepromote. Though he may leave shortly after that, he still is a great asset later in the game. Now let's take a look at their average level 20 stats. Shinon, Level 20 Sniper HP:46.3 Str:21.3 Skl:28.1 Spd:25.3 Def:18.5 Res:13.6 Luk:15.6 Soren, Level 20 Sage HP: 39.1 Mag:28.7 Skl: 27.7 Spd:24.9 Def:9.7 Res:27.5 Luk:16.4 Let's compare, shall we? HP Shinon easily beats Soren here. You can not debate it, it's proven averages.  Str/Mag Soren does beat Shinon here. Still lets take a look at some of our other stats.  Skl Shinon wins again. Spd Do my eyes decieve me? Shinon wins again!  Def I laughed when I read this one. Not only does Shinon win again, he wins by a lot. Soren's defense... makes me sick. ._.; Res Soren wins here. Luk Soren wins here. Just by a little bit. Shinon wins, 1, 2, 3, 4 times! The only stat he has a major loss to is RES. I can safely say that the rest of his stats make up for that minor loss. That's enough for now. Let's see what you got. 
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| 你好！ 我的英文名字是 Bosco! 我的中文名字是李福林！ | |
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| Reikken | Sep 4 2006, 01:36 PM Post #3 |
 
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When Shinon re-joins, he'll be at about lv 2, and Soren will probably be around lv 5. Shinon - 0.4 hp, 1.9 def Soren - 13.0 pow, 6.7 skl, 5.6 spd, 15.1 res, 2.5 lck Soren wins by a huge amount. A few chapters later, Shinon is at lv 8, and Soren is at lv 10. Why hasn't Shinon caught up all the way? Shinon's inability to counter melee and Soren's access to a separate exp pool: staves. Shinon - 2.7 hp, 4.3 def Soren - 10.2 pow, 5.1 skl, 3.7 spd, 15.4 res, 1.9 lck Soren's avo mostly counters Shinon's def and hp, and Soren's offensive lead is still huge. Shinon at 14, Soren at 15: Shinon - 4.9 hp, 6.6 def Soren - 9.2 pow, 2.7 skl, 1.7 spd, 15.2, res, 1.4 lck Shinon's defense here is greater with Soren's avo lead now only 4.8; however, Shinon's inability to counter melee encourages melee enemies to attack him, so he's going to be attacked a good bit more. And of course, Soren's offense still wins. Shinon at 20, Soren at 20: Though, as you showed, Shinon does beat Soren defensively, Soren is still winning offensively, and Soren is much more useful on those last few chapters. Chapter 28 is almost entirely laguz, which are melee, which means Shinon isn't countering anything, and Soren's thunder magic is good against those dragons. There's also a pesky bishop with a sleep staff, which is only avoided through res, and the boss uses mag, so Soren's massive res lead is nice. Then on Endgame, Shinon can't help at all against the boss, while Soren will almost certainly be the primary healer because of his huge mag and range. |
| NP: Wind Waker, Clannad, Ever17, Shoddy Battle, Brawl (Wi-Fi) | |
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| Jake Marshall | Sep 6 2006, 06:30 PM Post #4 |
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Shinon has a nice thing I like to call a Laguz Bow.
Laguz Bow Uses:15 Might:10 Hit%:75 Weight:10 Crit: 0 Range: 2 Rank: C Now, not only does Laguz effect ALL Laguz, it is also more powerful then most magic. Note, I said MOST magic. So basicly, Shinon can be just as useful as Soren when fighting Laguz. Not to mention Wyverns, and Pegasus. Hell, for bird Laguz, he wouldn't even need a Laguz Bow for a bonus. Basicly, the only REALLY useful type of magic is Thunder. Guess what? Thunder weighs a lot, and Soren only has a weak 3.9 Str. You could forge a lighter one, but that could lead to money problems, you know. It's better to stick to real weapons, and GOOD characters, who are capable of using them, ya know? For instance, lets take two other helpful sages, and compare them to your friend Soren! Tormod, Lvl 20 Sage HP: 40.0 Str: 10.4 Mag: 25.3 Skl: 23.7 Spd: 25.1 Def: 14.0 Res: 25.1 Luk: 19.2 Soren, Level 20 Sage HP: 39.1 Str:3.9 Mag:28.7 Skl: 27.7 Spd:24.9 Def:9.7 Res:27.5 Luk:16.4 Calill, Level 20 Sage HP: 39.0 Str: 11.5 Mag: 25.3 Skl: 24.3 Spd:24.3 Def: 13.6 Res: 21.9 Luk:20.2 HP Tormod wins! Followed by him, is Soren, then Calill. All of this in a very small gap. Str Calill wins, followed closely behind by Tormod. While we have Soren far, far behind. I know who I'm not turning to when I'm attacked by Dragon Laguz! Mag Soren's won this one. Still, Tormod and Calill (who tie), both aren't far behind. The fact they can easily weild the more powerful weapons is also a pretty big bonus, if I do say so myself. Skl Soren wins this won. Spd Tormod takes the cake again! Followed by Soren, who beats Calill by a small 0.6 points. Def Tormod wins again. Followed by who else? Calill! Res Okay, okay. Soren's got this one. Luk With Luk you have Calill, followed by Tormod. Now, unless you're missing the point here, I'm telling you that if you were in need of a Sage who can do some real damage and hold his/her own, then you'd best stick with Tormod. Who I have just proven to be statistically superior to Soren, and Calill. Now, if you find Tormod comes to late in the game, then you always have Calill who comes as a pre-promote. Don't feel as if Pre-promotes are useless, because they're not. They're actually probally some of the most useful characters in FE history. Not only in FE9. Shinon is just as useful as Soren when facing Laguz. Tormod and Calill are MORE useful. Shinon has advantage over other fliers aswell. In terms of usefulness, Shinon beats Soren with flying colors. |
| 你好！ 我的英文名字是 Bosco! 我的中文名字是李福林！ | |
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| Reikken | Sep 7 2006, 12:37 AM Post #5 |
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First off, it only has 15 uses, and you only get 2 of them through the entire course of the game. Secondly, he's still not countering anything, and the fact that it affects ALL laguz is nullified by the fact that Soren can just switch between different magic types. Lastly, even though the tomes have less mt, Soren is still doing more damage because not only does he have more than a 7 power lead on Shinon, but also the enemies have less res than def, and anima magic also has doubled mt against laguz. Against wyverns, the def/res gap is huge. Shinon would do a bit better against pegs, since they have high res and low def, but guess what? There are no enemy pegs.
Decreasing the weight on a thunder tome only costs about 150g per reduction, but the tome only weighs 3 anyway, so it doesn't even matter. Even with forging a maxed out mt thunder tome, it's only 6693 or so for 40 uses, which isn't much at all considering how much money you get in this game, huge amounts every now and then, like the 70K you get after chapter 19. It doesn't really matter whether or not one of the other sages is better than Soren if Soren is still better than Shinon, but: What's this about "real damage"? Soren has the higher mag. Sure the others have more str, but the mt of the higher level tomes doesn't increase much as the tome level goes up, and you can forge tomes in this game. As I stated before, 6693 for 40 uses is pretty damn good for one of the best tomes in the game. Excluding Rexbolt, which even the other sages get weighed down by, only Thoron has more mt, and only by 1, which Soren more than makes up for with his higher mag, and there's only one 20 use Thoron tome in the game, anyway. Hp: wow, Tormod wins by less than one, and on top of that, Soren actually has more Hp up until 20/3. Spd: again, wow, 0.2 spd, but this time, Soren is ahead for the vast majority of the game; Tormod doesn't actually surpass him in spd until 20/16. So def and lck are the only places Tormod has an advantage. These 2 stats can't save him from his bad joining time and inferior offense.
Soren has more spd, skl, mag, hp, and res, and Calill's str doesn't matter much for reasons stated above, so she's in pretty much the same situation as Tormod, except instead of having a bad joining time, she can't use staves. Ouch.
Disprove'd. And Soren is still > Shinon on all the lower levels, and on the final chapter. EDIT: lol, you get 70K after ch 19, not 50K. >.> |
| NP: Wind Waker, Clannad, Ever17, Shoddy Battle, Brawl (Wi-Fi) | |
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| Sentenal | Sep 10 2006, 10:10 PM Post #6 |
When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
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Bosco=gay and is DQed. |
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