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| +Ema Skye | Aug 31 2006, 06:30 PM Post #1 |
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| 180degrees | Sep 2 2006, 12:53 PM Post #2 |
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Guh...how to start. Topic: Stefan > Astrid Alright, to start off, Stefan comes as a pre-promote, with an S rank in swords, while Astrid comes as a measly level one bow knight with an E in bows. As you all know, skill level isn't raised as fast as the other games, which is flooded with enemies, so Astrid might only end up with a B in bows by the time she reaches 20/20. Meanwhile, Stefan has an advantage with an S rank from the start, which boosts his skills in a battle. Next we'll compare their average stats for 20/20. HP: Stefan averages 4 points higher than Astrid, not much, but still useful. Strength: Stefan averages one higher than Astrid. Again, not much but still useful. Magic: Astrid beats Stefan by 1 point. But, since both can only use magic swords(which is weaker than using a normal weapon), I don't see much use for it. Skill: Stefan beats Astrid by 4 points. This time it is a lot, but you won't see Astrid missing much either. Still, it's a notable difference. Speed: Again, Stefan beats Astrid by four points. This time it is noticable and does mattar. In some cases, Astrid won't be able to d-a the swordmasters that you have to fight in the later chapters, while Stefan can do mroe damage and twice as much. Defense: Stefan wins again. One point makes a difference, especially later on. Resistance: Stefan loses this one by 4 points, but if the enemy has 0-15% chance of hitting, why would it mattar? Luck: Astrid wins by 10 points. This is notable, and I won't bother arguing much more about it. Stefan is more likey to be criticalled by those Killer Weapons. But then again, his speed and skill are top-notch, allowing him to dodge almost all attacks. Build: Stefan has thirteen con which allows him to rescue characters in the case of trouble. Sure, Astrid can rescue more by horseback, but would you really want her to lose half of her speed? Half of 25 rounded down is 12. Easy d-a. Stefan would at least have around 14. Also, since Astrid is mounted, she can't shove, while Stefan can. pwnz0rz no? Recruiting Times: Astrid comes a couple of chapters earlier, but she doesn't come with anything useful and is easily d-a'd by the mercenaries in the chapter she joins. She can even die in the first turn if you don't hurry and rescue her. Meanwhile, Stefan comes with the Vague Katti(S rank sword) and can already whoop ass on the weak enemies(in his case) found in the later chapters. Now for supports: Astrid has one more support than Stefan, but it doesn't mattar much. Makalov is weak and inferior to all the other Paladins, s I doubt any would actually use him. Sothe can't promote and is too slow to keep up with Astrid and her high movement, same with Gatrie. On the other hand, Stefan can support with a Laguz, who is pretty darn strong, and Soren, who has high magic, and can keep up with Stefan. Skills: Stefan comes with Astra, so you don't need to waste an occult scroll to get it. You may argue that Astrid comes with Paragon(aka Elite) but considering the amount of time that would pass while training her to a decent level, you can just sick Ike and friends on the enemies and get it over with. Also, giving her her master skill, Sol, would mean taking away her Elite, which keeps her around even with Stefan. |
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| mshortie | Sep 5 2006, 12:37 AM Post #3 |
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You're right, Astrid does start out at a measly level 1. However, it won't last very long at all due to one big factor: her Paragon/Elite skill. Killing 1, maybe 2 enemies will get her to level up easily. This alone gives her a big advantage over most units. And while Stefan comes pre-promoted with the Vague Katti, it only has what, 25 uses? This also means that while he can't be RNG raped, he only has 12 levels to grow. It's also not THAT hard to raise weapon levels. Besides, that's what the forge is for; making powerful low-ranked custom weapons. If you're that worried about getting a good weapon for her, then make her one. 
Alright, it's time to debate stats, how fun ^^ I'll go ahead and post averages. Stephan's averages HP:46.4 -70% STR: 23.7-50% MAG:10.4-20% SKL: 29.0-40% SPD: 29.8-55% DEF: 16.2-35% RES: 12.6-30% LUK: 8.0-25% Total-176.1 Astrid's averages HP: 42.1- 45% STR: 22.7- 40% MAG: 11.6- 20% SKL: 25.7- 55% SPD: 25.8- 50% DEF: 19.4- 30% RES: 15.5- 25% LUK: 18.2- 40% Total: 181 As you can see Astrid averages higher total stats than Stefan.
First off, I don't know where you got your averages from, but according to the site Lucas gave us, Astrid's DEF is actually higher than Stefan's by 3 points.  That's a bit of a difference, no? As for HP, her higher DEF makes up for her slightly lower health. and while Stefan beats her by 4 points in both SPD and SKL, she beats him in a whole 10 points of LUK and around 3 RES. I'd say that definitely makes up for those losses, as Luck adds to both normal evade and CRT evade. A unit with a killer lance could PWN Stefan pretty quick. Her higher Res enables her to feather mages without having to worry about taking too much damage. While Stefan can dodge well, those numbers will eventually catch up with you, so you can't rely on evade forever. Astrid's solid DEF and RES enable her to take more hits whenever she fails to avoid an attack, which isn't very often. Since Astrid is mounted, not only can she rescue more efficiently, but she has the ability to move after the rescue, enabling her to escape harm with ease. While if you rescue a unit with Stefan, he's stuck there with halved SPD and SKL. Apart from the obvious movement advantage, she can also move after attacking, which gives her a huge ace over Stefan. Coupled with her bow, she can use that mounted advantage to utilize a hit-and-run tactic, giving her great exp due to elite/paragon, and causing signifigant damage to the enemy, all while keeping her out of harm's way. Stefan is also confined to swords for the entire game, while Astrid can pick ANY weapon she wants after promotion. She can make use of her decent SKL with an axe, crushing the enemy. Or she could go with a nice balanced lance, and stab them to death. :evil: Again, this gives her superiority over Stefan.
And just how hard is it to move Titania, Oscar or Kieran, as well as any Laguz up to protect her from the enemy? Honestly, it's not like resuing her is going to be a big blow for your tactics during that level. She's also needed to recruit Gatrie, your main tank of the game. Keeping these two together during the chapter, and having her take out enemies from behind him should bring her to a decent level by the end. As for Stefan, he doesn't recruit anyone, and it's kind of annoying to wander around that part of the desert looking for him. You would want him to beat the weaker enemies why? Oh, so he can rob all of your other units of experience of course. And seriously, the Vague Katti's a great weapon and all, but you get it even if you don't recruit Stefan. Astrid can use the S ranked Double Bow later in the game, so it's notlike Stefan's the only one with an S ranked weapon. :richie:
Makalov's averages: HP- 50.4 STR- 25.3 MAG- 5.4 SKL- 22.0 SPD- 25.7 DEF- 24.7 RES- 10.8 LUK- 15.7 Total: 179.6 Oh yeah, he's inferior all right. [/SARCASM] :richie: In fact, he's better than Stefan.  Just look at that sexy DEF,
 he's practically a tank that CAN keep up with Astrid, unlike Gatrie. But Gatrie isn't totally worthless; he protects Astrid earlier on from big ol' bad guys. I agree, however, that Sothe is totally worthless. As for Stefan's supports, Soren is just a little emo boy with nothing better to do than cut himself and obsess with Ike. Tormod and Calill are waaaaaaay better. As for Mordecai, he's inferior to Lethe and Ranulf, so why even use him? Not to mention Stefan will have trouble keeping up with him, due to his superior movement.
Astra's a fine skill, but it's nothing compared to Paragon. Astrid grows insanely fast with this skill, even when promoted, she'll grow like a normal unit. This allows her to reach her maximum potential faster, and due to the fact she has so many levels to grow, it's just amazing.  Even when promoted, she'll grow 2-3 levels before Stefan levels up once. What kind of idiot would trade Sol for Paragon anyway? It's not even that great of a skill. :richie: Astrid is easily the best archer in the game. While Shinon is amazing as well, he leaves for too long, and is still confined to one weapon. Rolf takes too much babysitting, and neither of them are mounted. You have multiple options for sword-wielding units, including Makalov, who is superior to Stefan, and supports with Astrid. 
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| 180degrees | Sep 5 2006, 05:19 PM Post #4 |
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Yeah, and you can make a powerful weapon for Stefan as well. It could be stronger than his Vague Katti. So your point is? And 12 levels left to grow with his starting stats is already awesome. And in this game, raising weapon levels is like getting a Pokemon to level 50 from a measly level 5. That is a long time. One thing you should know is that Astrid can't do shit with just Elite. You can use plenty more awesome people that don't need babysitting for the first 3 chapters after you get them(or more).
Yeah, I had some mix-ups with the stats. But yes, she makes up for Stefan's boost with her 10 luck but 3 resistance doesn't matter that much since a) the enemy mages generally have weak magic attack Sefan can easily dodge the attacks. And yes, you can rely on avoid forever. It's just that simple.
Killer lance? Name how many enemies even have that in the first place. Yeah, little to none. And Astrid can be easily hit and unable to counter if she has her bow equipped, funnily enough. So that makes it equal
Um, first you have to get close to the enemy before attacking, and even if she is 4 spaces away from the enemy, even an armoured knight could catch up to her. So keeping out of harms way? I think not.
I wonder how getting an axe gives her an advantage over Stefan as she can barely do much damage in the first place. Stefan would still do more by the time she's promoted.
Did I ever say that rescuing her was? I was just using that point to say that she's weak enough to get killed from the start, unlike Stefan.
And I doubt Gatrie can block all four sides of Astrid. He might get killed by d-As as well.
So you're saying you'd rather just skip the "S" rank sword that the game gives you?
Stefan can't "rob" experience when he is actually worth using. You can just ditch a lot of your characters and play just with him alone(with Ike and a few others).
Yeah, you just said searching the desrt is a pain and now you say you want the Vague Katti? Double Bow eh? Not happening unless you use some arm scrolls kid.
Sexy defense? Oscar has better overall strength than him. Kieran's more useful as well. Plus they both come a lot earlier than Makalov. And better than Stefan? You mean total stats or everything combined? Because IIRC, Stefan comes earlier, at a higher level, and isn't a pain to train at that point in the game.
And when did judging characters by personality determine their usefulness?
Tormod? Sure. But he comes way later in the game. Callil has weaker magic than Soren. She might have higher speed, but I don't see mages charging the frontline, even when they're promoted. She even has knives, ew.
Mordecai is the strongest Laguz you get(except for those cheap end-of-the-game characters). He can easily OHKO enemies. Comparing a Lion and a Tiger isn't something you should do. You should compare him with Muarim.
Ur, faster than Stefan? Stefan is already level 8 promoted. Stefan comes at level one, and would probably reach around 7-10 levels. You overrated her. And you just contradicted yourself once again. Reach her maximum potential faster while still having a lot of levels to grow? Sure, you got it right![/sarcasm]
Sol is argueably one of the best skills in the game. What're you talking about?
Yeah, Rolf joins earlier and isn't in as much need of babysitting as Astrid is since the enemies are weaker. I don't know where you got the fact that Astrid is easier to train than Rolf.
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| mshortie | Sep 6 2006, 06:17 PM Post #5 |
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You're right, she can't do anything with just elite. That's why she's mounted, can use her bow to attack enemies from range, and acquire another weapon upon promotion. Since when is gaining double the normal rate of exp. a bad thing anyway? With this skill, she grows at twice the rate of other units, and will catch up to the rest of your army in no time.
You seem to forget that there is an abundance of mages in this game, and that most of them use either thunder or wind tomes. With thunder's high critical rate, and Stefan's low LUK and RES, he has a high chance of being PWNed. Wind is extremely accurate, so even with Stefan's high Avoid, he'll at least be hit a few times. Astrid has nice solid RES and LUK ratings, so she'll easily be able to take on mages without losing much health.
Uhhhh, no. Just, no. You can't rely on dodge forever. Those numbers will always catch up with you, especially when the majority of enemies use lances. >__0 Even if Stefan has oh, say..........70 avoid with an iron sword, and he faced a soldier with an Iron Lance and......10 SKL. (Weapon Data used from EFED) Soldier has 40% chance to hit, plus 10% weapon triangle advantage. That's 50% hit already, and I didn't even factor in the soldier's luck. Astrid can use either an axe or a lance to negate this weapon triangle advantage, and even turn it in her favor.
That's a soldier with a 50% chance. I could also do Paladins, Wyvern Riders, Peg Knights, etc. So as I've just proven, you just can't, I repeat can't rely on dodge forever, and it's poor logic to do so. Dx
As I've just proven, the enemy has no need of a killer lance in order to harm Stefan, he's easily hit even with an Iron Lance. 
Yet funnily enough, Astrid can use that same bow to attack enemies from a distance, leaving them unable to counterattack. If she was able to attack directly, then she would just be too godly. That's right, she can when she promotes!
Stefan's only ranged attack options are magic swords, and with his sub-par magic, it's almost pointless to do so.
Ummmmm, considering she's mounted, she actually doesn't have to be close to the enemy in order to attack. And what's one armor knight to a beast like Astrid? :richie: With her good DEF and a lance or axe, she'll easily beat him down; even if she has to take a hit for when her bow is equipped. A smart player would have his/her units traveling in a group anyway, so other units could cover Astrid as she backs away after attacking.
Considering Stefan only has one point higher than Astrid in STR, I guess he doesn't do too much damage either. The point is, Astrid can make up for that by using axes, the strongest weapon type power-wise in the game, and the fact that she has the SKL to use them nicely. Stefan however, is always and forever confined to using swords, the weakest weapon in the game power-wise. This also gives her a weapon triangle advantage, as most enemies in the game can and will use lances, as I've already stated. She also has the nice Def to take hits from measly sword users, and high luck to avoid swordmaster's critical hit rates.
So? Ike is weak enough to get killed when you get him. :richie: As are Boyd, Rolf, Oscar...........do you see where I'm going with this? The thing is, by using her Paragon skill, she can level up much faster than other units, and can catch up to your other units in about a chapter or two.
This is actually a great level to train Astrid, as all of the enemies come at you from across bridges. You just block off these choke points with high defense units, stalling the enemy advance. You can then have Astrid use her movement advantage to attack the enemies from behind your "meatshields", and have her rack up easy experience. She's also a good help against those pesky bird laguz that show up later on. Gatrie can easily hold his own, and if he does get hurt, then that's what your healers are there for. Without allies to heal, they just might die thinking too hard about the meaning of their existence.
I never said I would. I just said looking for it can be rather time-consuming.
I can say the same for Astrid.
You get the Double Bow in chapter 27. Astrid should easily have an S rank in bows by then.
Yes, sexy defense. It's easily on par with Gatrie's or any other tank. You're right, they do come earlier, but that doesn't make Makalov useless. You can easily spend bonus exp. to train him, or let him kill the abundant axe-using enemies of the chapter you recruit him in. Makalov also joins the level before you get Stefan BTW.
What's with putting words in my mouth here?  I never said it determines his usefulness, I just don't like his personality. Calill is a much better sage BTW, due to the fact she actually has some strength to use tomes with, and comes with great starting weapon levels.
Yet why even use Laguz in the first place? They steal so much exp. it's not even funny, and they can only fight when transformed. They are very killable up until they transform, which takes Mordecai a while to do.
Why thank you, I do indeed have it right! I also did not contradict myself. She grows AMAZINGLY fast with the skill Paragon. A normal unpromoted unit gets what.......30-40 exp. a kill? (Assuming the unit they kill is also unpromoted) That's 60-80 exp. for Astrid. A promoted unit gets maybe 10-15 exp. for killing an unpromoted enemy, right? Well, that's 20-30 for Astrid. Again, do you see where this is going? :richie: Astrid can easily catch up to Stefan using her skill. And the second she catches up with him, she'll surpass him even faster.
You're right, yet Paragon is much better. That's like comparing cake and cookies; they're both great, yet one's better. (The cookies of course)
Yet Rolf doesn't have Paragon, so he only gains exp. at a normal rate. He's also not mounted and can only use one weapon, while she is mounted, and can use two. I have no idea who the heck Wolf is. I look forward to your next post
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| 180degrees | Sep 7 2006, 07:13 PM Post #6 |
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You keep forgetting the fact that when she uses either her bow or lance/axe/sword, she can't fend off against both 2-space range attackers or direct attacks. And did I ever say Elite was bad? No, I didn't. Stop using things I didn't say aginst me.
Stefan's resistance isn't low. 12 resistance isn't low at all. The mages are still weak, despite how many there are, and the thunder tome has a critical of 5. Wow with the enemy's low luck, that's still only around 9 critical percentage. It's not like Stefan's luck is that low when you get him.
You forgot to factor in the enemy's low attack and stefan's stable defense.
We were talking about criticals, why did you change the subject?
And the next turn she's vulnerable from attacks. You gain some, you lose some.
Yes, but then she's vulnerable the next turn. Jeez. One armour? I don't recall armours just floating around next to Astrid. Enemies are mostly always in groups. Oh and covering her means you're protecting her. That means you can protect Stefan as well from your average toughies.
Swordmasters can kill her. She's extremely vulnerable in the last chapter where she can die too easily. If she can only use Axes and Bows, how does that make her able to control the weapon triangle? With a bow, she won't be able to counter, with an axe, she'll be vulnerable to swords. So I don't see where you're going with that. Measly sword users? You forget that myrmidons in this game actually have almost the same amount of attack power as your average soldiers and calvary units.
No he isn't. Boyd, Rolf, and Ike are stronger when you get them. They aren't easy to kill unless you're that stupid. Rolf? Sure. But he's just one of those average little wussy soldiers. And she can only catch up when you spend time with her. Stefan doesn't need time, he's already stronger than almost all your units, and lastly, he doesn't need an Elite skill to stay up-to-par with the party. Meanwhile, Astrid needs the Elite skill to keep up, doesn't have room for the other skills that she could use to benefit her class(like Savior and Gamble(with her high skill).
Again, how many turns do you have on the ship? Not many. And with the amount of time it takes for her to be able to double attack most units, that's around 5-6 turns. She can't back it up with strength either since that's her weak point.
If you can't get 3 down and two across in your head, then I'm surprised. Seriously. And if you need help, that's what the interweb is for.
No...just no. Astrid can't solo right when you get her so no...
Why do you keep forgetting the fact that Astrid can't get an "S" rank so easily? By the time she gets 20/20, she'll be stealing experience to try and gain an S rank that other characters could use. Especially with her Elite skill that supposedly makes her awesome and able to level up faster(by not using bows as much and not leveling her weapon level).
Don't factor bonus experience in because anybody can eat bonus exp. And again, training Makalov takes time, and his base stats aren't too sexy either(plus, he's freakin' ugly). One chapter before getting Stefan doesn't matter really. It's not like he can surpass Stefan by the end of the chapter.
What was the use of mentioning it then? And Calill joins around whaddy'a say, 15 chapters later?
Forget about the demi-band? And Laguz don't suck. They're easy to train and even when de-transformed, they aren't easy to kill. Each time they're attacked, their gauge goes up by 4 points.
You said she grows much stronger than Stefan much faster than him supposedly surpassing her(even though he comes with better stats and a higher level) and then you say that she's easy to train since she's a level one unit with elite(? so what, you can't do shit at level one). I'll leave it at that.
Level matters when? Stefan's stats will still probably be more suitable and better than hers, even if she surpasses him. Stefan will already be strong so there's no use in having to train him except watch him get stronger, which is plain awesome.
no it isn't. Elite isn't that great as you make it out to be. It makes your character grow faster, sure. But by the time they reach level 20 promoted, I'd rather not bother with them and level my weaker characters. That'll also discourage most from using her until she gets an "S" rank. Which wastes about 1000 experience that could go to others.
Yes, and he joins earlier. He doesn't really need Paragon, and he'll be stronger than Astrid when she joins anyway. He was level 13 when I got to Astrid once. Nuh-uh. Astrid can also only use one weapon until promoted. And by the time Rolf promotes, his defense will be able to stand up to any attack.
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| mshortie | Sep 9 2006, 06:58 PM Post #7 |
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Yet Stefan can't attack from range fend off against ranged attackers at all. Astrid always has the ability to do that, as she starts with a bow. As for direct attacks, she's mounted and can easily get away, not to mention that extra weapon she gets upon prmotion. Even though when she uses one she's vulnerable to the other, she at least has the ability to use both of them, while Stefan can only attack directly.
By the time Stefan even gets to 12 RES, you'll already be facding powerful mages and sages; many who have status staves and stronger magic tomes. Skill is the stat that contributes to critical percentage, not luck, and enemies tend to have good skill, especially mages. Stefan starts at 5 LUK, which isn't too bad, yet his growth rate for it is pretty crappy. >__0
We weren't talking about strength and defense, we were talking about evade. That's fine though, I was going to get to it anyway. Stefan only starts off with 12 defense, and since I'm using an unpromoted soldier to prove this, I'm going to say his defense is still at 12, and the soldier's strength is........about 9, and he's using an Iron Lance. (Weapon data from EFED) So the soldier now has about 17 attack including weapon advantage, which will do 5 damage to Stefan. Once more, this is just a generic soldier with an Iron Lance. If we had Stefan at level 20/20, then he would probably be fighting a Halbredier with around 15-20 strength, most likely with a silver weapon. Now let's factor this. ^^ Stefan- 16 DEF Halbredier- We'll say.......17 strength, with a silver lance (15 might) Wow, that's 17 damage to Stefan, plus weapon triangle advantage. That's already lost him about a third of his HP. The enemy could also be using a Brave Lance, or even a Spear, which Stefan would be unable to counter. Even with a basic Iron Lance, this guy will still do 11 damage to Stefan, which is almost a fourth of his HP. Astrid, however, can use her bow to attack without fear of retaliation, or she can use a lance or axe to bash his face in.
Either way you look at it, she'll be taking less damage due to her superior defense.
Stefan's just that more likely to die if the enemy has a chance of getting a critical hit. As I've already proving, he can hardly rely on luck or evade to save him.
Didn't I just go over this? At least Astrid has multiple attack options to choose from. Stefan on the other hand, only has those crappy magic swords for ranged attack options.
Your units should always be in groups as well. Not to mention Astrid can also use Hammers, Heavy Spears and Armorslayers once she promotes, as well as attack them from 2-3 spaces away. Stefan has no advantage against Armor Knights due to the weapon triangle and their great defense. Once Astrid is promoted, she'll hardly need any protection at all; she'll be tearing through the enemy with her sexy mounted advantage and powerful weapon types. :evil:
If she's vulnerable in the last chapter, then Stefan really must be. She has better defense and resistance, as well as her movement advantage. There's no way Stefan is less killable than her on that chapter.
I never said she could control it entireley. However, the majority of the enemies in this game use lances, and axes compliment her nice skill. Therefore, they are a good choice, as are lances for their versatility. Swords really just don't work for her. Also; when she has a bow, most enemies won't be able to counter her. While she's equipped with a melee weapon, she will bash much face.  Swords are a weak wapn type, and Astrid can choose to wield a lance just as easily as an axe.
Yes, they have almost the same strength, yet that is taken away due to the fact that swords aren't as powerful as lances, which soldiers and cavalry can use. 
Yet they are still able to be killed in a turn or two, if you're not smart. Just like Astrid.
You need to spend time on Ike to level him up as well, as well as Nephenee or Shinon, Jill, Marcia, etc. Fire Emblem takes time, plain and simple. There's also a thing I like to call bonus experience, which can benefit Astrid more than anyone else. Using her Elite skill, she takes half as much to level up than other units do.
Elite is a part of Astrid, and always will be, forever and ever, Amen. If you take the skill away from her, then that's just you being a retard. If you've played FE4, then you should know how godly Lex and his kids are.
(Which should be Lakche and Skasaha by the way.) Ever wonder why this is? That's simple; the Elite skill, which makes them grow so much faster than your other units. Gamble is seriously an absolute crap skill. Why waste hit percentage to gain extra critical? If I have 100% hit, at least I know that I'll hit the enemy, so why screw it all over for a bit of extra critical hit percentage? Savior is all right, but why not give it to really high defense units, like Gatrie or Makalov?
The point is, Astrid doesn't need to be killing all of the enemies, she should just be hitting them at least. Even if she doesn't kill a single person, but hits enough people, she'll gain a huge amount of experience. She doesn't even need to cause more than one point of damage in order for her to get around 30 experience points.
Some people are like me, and think that using a walktrough of any kind is cheating. As for remembering the spaces, I never even knew that in the first place, and I doubt anyone just playing through that chapter for the first time will, either.
I wasn't talking about going solo, I was talking about experience. Astrid can quickly get to the point where she can go solo, due to her Elite skill once again. ^^
By the time she gets to level 20/20, Astrid should at least have an A rank in bows. So what you're saying is I should stop using Astrid once she gets to 20/20? Isn't the whole point of the game to get them leveled up that high and watch them rape, though? Funny thing is, she'll be using her bow the same amount, as she has to hit the enemy more due to her lower strength before promotion. After promotion however, her strength skyrockets, and she'll be able to use stronger weapons. Weapon levels automatically go up by one after a unit promotes, anyways.
Why shouldn't I factor in bonus experience? It's as much a part of the game as everything else. True, anybody can eat bonus experience, but no one can eat it like Astrid can.
She takes half as much to gain a level as your other units, so you can still have tons for them left over.
Again, training any unpromoted unit takes time. In the end, however, you'll get a much more solid unit out of Makalov. His average stats are extremely well rounded, even if his bases aren't too desirable. I don't see how a character's looks have anything to with their usefulness in the game. 
Yet at a high level, and great starting weapon levels. Plus there's always Tormod, who outclasses Soren in every single way.
Yet why waste experience on units who can only fight when transformed, when you can train units who can fight all the time? The Demi band just nerfs their stats, even if it lets them fight without having to transform.
I don't really get what you're trying to say here, but I'll give it a shot. She gains eperience at twice the rate he does. As such, she'll have an easy time catching up to him in level. You're right, you can't do shit at level one. That really doesn't apply that much to Astrid though; she'll be way past level 1 before you can say elite.
Isn't the whole point of training units to watch them get stronger? :richie: His stats are better than hers? Did you look at the averages? :richie:
The point is, people with elite don't need as much experience as units without it. While a unit without elite may need to kill 3-4 enemies to gain a level, a unit with elite only needs to kill 1-2. In fact, they're actually almost conserving experience by being able to level up easily while killing half as many enemies, saving precious experience for other units as well. This is also a skill unique to just Astrid and Geffeory; while Sol just gives you some health back, while damaging your enemy. Vulneraries and elixers can restore health, and weapons can damage the enemy. There's no item, however, that lets you earn double experience. Also, Elite is constantly on, while Sol depends on slim chance.
Yet he doesn't have Elite, which makes Astrid SO much easier to use. Not to mention she's mounted, yet another huge ace. The point is that Astrid can use two weapons eventually, while Rolf is always and forever confined to ranged attacks. I think that's it. We only get three posts, right? If so, good debate ^^
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| Sentenal | Sep 9 2006, 11:04 PM Post #8 |
When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
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Didn't notice this was over. Judges, PM votes to me or Luke. |
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