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Wind Sword vs _odelay
Topic Started: Sep 5 2006, 02:05 PM (195 Views)
+Ema Skye	Sep 5 2006, 02:05 PM Post #1
Snackoos = <3. It's science! Posts: 20,959 Group: Advisor Member #40 Joined: June 9, 2005	Whoever loses this one is already out of the tournament. Wind Sword shall post first.
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Conan O'Brien	Sep 7 2006, 05:31 PM Post #2
SKILLNADEN ÄR DRINKABILITY Posts: 2,781 Group: Veteran Member #16 Joined: June 8, 2005	[size=7]Stats[/size] Okay, I had a super long post, but some idiots in my household are not savvy in what is called the "Minimize" button. So instead of posting stats, I'l just link: Nephenee Makalov I apoligize to all who may be concerned by such things. So individually. HP: Makalov by 6.8. A good amount, but of course because of how high HP is it really translates to 3.4 of any normal stat. Nephenee's lower HP works to her advantage, as it is easier for Wrath to activate, but high enough that she'll be able to survive a turn at half HP. STR: Makalov by 2.8. The difference is small enough that the difference in dealing damage is insignifigant, and because Nephenee starts with a more powerful weapon, they'll be dealing about the same damage for most of the game. MAG: Nephenee by four. Nephenee is one of the unpromoted units who will be decent with Flame Lance, but I see little reason to give any magic weapon to either of them when units like Tanith and Elincia will make much better use of them. SKL: Nephenee by 5.5. A considerable amount. Nephenee's accuracy will be a good deal better than Makalov's, and will critical far more often, especially with Wrath. Speed: Now this is deceptive. It is true that Nephenee will only end up with only 0.2 more. But if you look at TWILKTRI's(emphasis mine) chart, you will see that Nephenee will rule over Makalov in speed for the majority of the game, but the gap will get smaller and smaller and smaller. The reason being that Nephenee, looking at the chart, will usually Max around level 13, 14 or 15. Think of it this way, Makalov starts with 10 Speed with 50% growth. Nephenee starts with 11 and 55% at three levels less. For most of the game, her Speed will own his. Defense: Makalov wins by 2.5. Both of their defenses are strong enough that it should matter little, but Makalov will consistantly have an advantage here. Resistance: Nephenee by 2.2. Helps to offset the defense difference for sure. I find Nephenee as one of the best units to take out Magic users. Luck: Makalov by 1.3. But again, the difference is minimal. At the very least, both work well enough to deter any critical hits, and the small advantage won't be enough to counteract the gaps in Skill and Speed. Total Stats: Makalov by 1.5. But the early Speed cap means for 80% of the game Nephenee will be better than Makalov. The stat difference is small enough that both units can be considered, in most ways, statistically equal. The problem is, what's the point of of using an equal unit, if they're are very hard to train. [SIZE=7]Usability[/SIZE=7] I can say with some certainity that Makalov, except for Sothe, is one of the most pointless units in the game. By the time you get him in Chapter 14, Oscar, Kieran, and Titania will all have surpassed him all of whom are great units. I can see little point to training Makalov when three units are better than him come much earlier. The fact is that Makalov is essantially so invalidated by the surplus of good Paladins, that I cannot conceive any reason you'd train him. Supposing he turns out better than all the other Paladins(which he doesn't), Astrid comes a level earlier with a skill that would make training her far easier than training Makalov. Some desinger was on drugs when they designed this character. His starting starts are subpar, his starting weapon the weakest of the four, with an utterly worthless skill. He comes pretty late at a pretty early level. Not to mention he's butt ugly. The only redeeming value is that Makalov can provide is comedy relief. Shorter than usual,but it will work.
	~~Wind Sword Quote: Please keep Christian bashing to a minimum. This is mainly the American South (and mainly Evangelical death cults), which is similar to Afghanistan under the Taliban. Touching. Scientology Quote: Clones are create and people can't bore a clone. Scientifically they are called born and not created. The only way to pre-determine their genes is if they are already out in the world usually in a pod that would resemble the sac in a mothers womb. Take Star Wars for example. Smartest post ever made.


odelay	Sep 7 2006, 06:22 PM Post #3
que? Posts: 236 Group: FEFFer Member #871 Joined: August 8, 2006	swell, almost thought i'd have a by, and thats no fun so, its country girl vs weird guy, how very...interesting Both characters turn out nicely, and both take some sort of effort to train, but it is inevitable that Makalov comes out higher than Nephenee Makalov's HP is nicely higher, but Nephenee's works our for her in wrath. Makalov's is better defensivly, while Nephenee's HP is primely offense. They have their own thing. She'll need it. Makalov has a nice STR advantage, but 2-3 points, (which comes out to 4-6 when Double attacking) CAN and WILL make the difference. And Makalov can weild powerful axes! this most definitly puts him at top here by a good margin. AND Nephenee has a chance to get RNG raped here, meaning her STR will falter and she will constantly be slowed down, erasing any advantage in SPD she has over Makalov (which will be adressed later). Quote: MAG: Nephenee by four. Nephenee is one of the unpromoted units who will be decent with Flame Lance, but I see little reason to give any magic weapon to either of them when units like Tanith and Elincia will make much better use of them. agreed Quote: SKL: Nephenee by 5.5. A considerable amount. Nephenee's accuracy will be a good deal better than Makalov's, and will critical far more often, especially with Wrath. the one thing nephenee really has above makalov, but both have good skill, just shes a few points ahead. No matter. Swords are the most accurate weapons in the game. This closes the gap. And he has the STR to weild them very well. As for cirt% Nephenee's doesnt have noticably more crit%, nor does she have noticable crit% anyway, as with alot of melee units in this game. Quote: Speed: Now this is deceptive. It is true that Nephenee will only end up with only 0.2 more. But if you look at TWILKTRI's(emphasis mine) chart, you will see that Nephenee will rule over Makalov in speed for the majority of the game, but the gap will get smaller and smaller and smaller. The reason being that Nephenee, looking at the chart, will usually Max around level 13, 14 or 15. usually nephenee will be higher, not by a great amount, makalov will catch up like you said. however, makalov does have a higher CAp, meaning if he gets a tiny little bit RNG blessed, his SPD will come out higher. It comes down to where both can dodge and double attack the enemy without too much of a problem. but, like i said before, if Nephenee gets RNG raped in strength, she will be slowed down by her weapons. and she will be slowed down by her weapons nevertheless. Makalov doesn't have to worry about it, swords are light, and he has a much more constant STR growth Quote: Defense: Makalov wins by 2.5. Both of their defenses are strong enough that it should matter little, but Makalov will consistantly have an advantage here. agreed, he does tank better, but nephenee aint so bad herself. Quote: Resistance: Nephenee by 2.2. Helps to offset the defense difference for sure. I find Nephenee as one of the best units to take out Magic users. she's not much better to take out magic users than makalov. there arent too many magic users in the game either. Neither are great in RES. and magic users usually miss Makalov and Nephenee anyway. lets take the debate to other stats. Quote: Luck: Makalov by 1.3. But again, the difference is minimal. At the very least, both work well enough to deter any critical hits, and the small advantage won't be enough to counteract the gaps in Skill and Speed. yes, yes, yes, but wait. like i said, Nephenee really doesn;t have a speed advantage. even if she does fine in STR, he will catch up, and as stated earlier again, possibly cap more. As for SKL, it helps, but not by too much Quote: The problem is, what's the point of of using an equal unit, if they're are very hard to train. Nephenee ain't the easy road either, she takes training too! and she is harder to train due to being slowed down, not being mounted, and her crippling weakness to axes. You could very well ditch nephenee as well if you don't like to train units up. Quote: I can say with some certainity that Makalov, except for Sothe, is one of the most pointless units in the game. By the time you get him in Chapter 14, Oscar, Kieran, and Titania will all have surpassed him YOUR DEAD WRONG. Paladins are the shizz. They can manipulate the weapon tringle, have incredible stats, great great movement, can move after acting, rescuse, etc. HES VERY USEFUL. Oscar isnt as powerful as makalov (although better in other stats, and still an excellent unit), Keiren falters behind all other paladins, and Makalov shoots past titania. Hes 2nd best paladin, and best Tank besides the Tanks (better than toureano though). He starts lower than others (so does Nephenee!), but quickly launches off into an excellent unit, hes also very easy to train, Nephenee is alot harder to train. Despite being lower than the others, you can still use him in battle, he has solid enough stats to start with, and it always good to back up with some bonus EXP. You can easily promote him by the end of chapter 17, and he'll most definitly come out alive if your'e good enough. Makalov is fantastic, and will become one of your most USEFUL units. Quote: Supposing he turns out better than all the other Paladins(which he doesn't), Astrid comes a level earlier with a skill that would make training her far easier than training Makalov. He turns out best in tanking, in HP, STR, and DEF. he does it very well when compared to the other paladins! Astrid can very much be RNG raped easily, and she comes at level ONE! she can be killed on the first turn of the mission you get her! you must be a fool to kill makalov. Quote: Some desinger was on drugs when they designed this character. His starting starts are subpar, his starting weapon the weakest of the four, with an utterly worthless skill. He comes pretty late at a pretty early level. Not to mention he's butt ugly. this gave me a good laugh. his stats very quickly become better, his starting weapon doesn;t slow him down and accompinies his great STR, he doesn't come too late, and not too bad of a level, his skill isn't good, but can be replaced. He might not be the best to look at, but since when looks are important in debates? it never has. nor i hope it never will. He is pretty funny
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Conan O'Brien	Sep 8 2006, 11:46 PM Post #4
SKILLNADEN ÄR DRINKABILITY Posts: 2,781 Group: Veteran Member #16 Joined: June 8, 2005	I believe the sports term is "bye". I'm pretty sure it's an attractive country girl versus a very metrosexual man, if not homosexual. Quote: Makalov's HP is nicely higher, but Nephenee's works our for her in wrath. Makalov's is better defensivly, while Nephenee's HP is primely offense. They have their own thing. She'll need it. Actually, her Defense is high enough that she WON'T need it. It's just a last resort thing. Now would be a nice time to point out something odd. Keiran is a rough destroyer, and Makalov a docile gambler. Yet Kieran has Gamble, and Makalov Tempest. Odd... Quote: Makalov has a nice STR advantage, but 2-3 points, (which comes out to 4-6 when Double attacking) CAN and WILL make the difference. Hardly any. Nephenee's STR is good enough that she'll deal a good amount of damage, and 4-6 is rarely going to make much of a difference. Quote: And Makalov can weild powerful axes! this most definitly puts him at top here by a good margin. AND Nephenee has a chance to get RNG raped here, meaning her STR will falter and she will constantly be slowed down, erasing any advantage in SPD she has over Makalov (which will be adressed later). Makalov can wield axes only after promotion, at which point the strongest one he can wield will deal as much as the Steel Sword he starts with. Makalov joins late enough that it would be ineffective to try to level him up in axes, as would he could deal more by getting A or higher in Swords, when he could only be able to get C in axes. And that doesn't change the fact that he starts with the weakest weapons with a poor starting STR. Nephenee's less(NOT poor) STR will not affect her weapon weight capacity. As she grows in Strength, her weapon level will rise with it, as she only starts with E. By the time she's C she will have strength enough to wield most weapons efficently. Quote: the one thing nephenee really has above makalov, but both have good skill, just shes a few points ahead. No matter. Swords are the most accurate weapons in the game. So let me get this straight, 2-3 STR makes all the difference, but 5 Skill ain't much? So much for axes, eh? If you want to train swords and axes equally, I can't imagine getting either to a high level. Quote: As for cirt% Nephenee's doesnt have noticably more crit%, nor does she have noticable crit% anyway, as with alot of melee units in this game. The highest Skill Cap for Beorc is 30. With two more Skill, she'd hit that. So the highest Skill won't have all that much crit? That only translates to 1 more crit. Quote: however, makalov does have a higher CAp, meaning if he gets a tiny little bit RNG blessed, his SPD will come out higher. On the other hand, It is almost impossible for Nephenee to ahve raped Speed. Not so for Makalov. Quote: It comes down to where both can dodge and double attack the enemy without too much of a problem. but, like i said before, if Nephenee gets RNG raped in strength, she will be slowed down by her weapons. Nephenee will do it much better for the majority of the game. Likewise, she'd have to be raped 5 STR to not be able to wield a weapon. Quote: she's not much better to take out magic users than makalov. there arent too many magic users in the game either. Neither are great in RES. and magic users usually miss Makalov and Nephenee anyway. lets take the debate to other stats. I found there were far more magic-users personally. Quote: yes, yes, yes, but wait. like i said, Nephenee really doesn;t have a speed advantage. even if she does fine in STR, he will catch up, and as stated earlier again, possibly cap more. As for SKL, it helps, but not by too much Again, 5.5 Skill is an immense gap. And Nephenee will have about a 3 Speed advantage for most of the game. And her STR will not slow her down. Quote: Nephenee ain't the easy road either, she takes training too! and she is harder to train due to being slowed down, not being mounted, and her crippling weakness to axes. You could very well ditch nephenee as well if you don't like to train units up. Nephenee is more unique. Her counterpart joins several chapters later, sucks something awful, and she's the only one with Wrath. Makalov has five other counterparts, and his rather pointless skill is shared by Boyd. Nephenee also comes earlier than Makalov, giving her more time to train, and her starting stats are actually good. Speaking of crippling weakness, training Makalov means constant vigilance to the various weapons intended for his demise, and lances will overpower him far more. Nephenee's weakness to axes is slowly corrected as she progresses, Horsemen weapons are eternal. Quote: YOUR DEAD WRONG. My wrong is dead?! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Quote: Paladins are the shizz. They can manipulate the weapon tringle, have incredible stats, great great movement, can move after acting, rescuse, etc. HES VERY USEFUL. Yawn. All Paladins do that. But not the weapon triangle so much anymore. Quote: Oscar isnt as powerful as makalov (although better in other stats, and still an excellent unit), Keiren falters behind all other paladins, and Makalov shoots past titania. Oscar and Keiran both beat Makalov in total stats. Quote: Hes 2nd best paladin, and best Tank besides the Tanks (better than toureano though). Gahhhh! Paradox! He's a Tank, but the Tanks are better than him, but he's a Tank, so he's better than himself! It's people like you who cause wormholes in the time-space continuam! I've checked over and over. With or without HP at half, Keiran, Oscar, and Astrid beat him. Quote: He starts lower than others (so does Nephenee!), but quickly launches off into an excellent unit, hes also very easy to train, Nephenee is alot harder to train. Despite being lower than the others, you can still use him in battle, he has solid enough stats to start with, and it always good to back up with some bonus EXP. You can easily promote him by the end of chapter 17, and he'll most definitly come out alive if your'e good enough. Makalov is fantastic, and will become one of your most USEFUL units. Nephenee comes earlier with solid stats, that has been established. Delete Makalov from that last sentence. Add Oscar, Keiran, or even Nephenee to it. You can copy paste that into any unit's debate, it probably the most generalized thing I've ever seen. Quote: He turns out best in tanking, in HP, STR, and DEF. he does it very well when compared to the other paladins! That's all great in later levels, my concern is earlier. Quote: can very much be RNG raped easily, and she comes at level ONE! she can be killed on the first turn of the mission you get her! you must be a fool to kill makalov. Au contraire, killing Makalov would be a public service. It would save Marcia the trouble. I developed a sweet method to save her that one turn. 1. Shove Ike. 2. Have him talk to Astrid. I am genuinely shocked by how this doesn't occur to so many people. Quote: his stats very quickly become better Exagerration of the century. Quote: his starting weapon doesn;t slow him down and accompinies his great STR An axe would compliment his good STR. Giving him a sword is like a bad joke. Quote: he doesn't come too late He's the second last unpromote. Quote: He might not be the best to look at, but since when looks are important in debates? it never has. nor i hope it never will. Are you new here? Quote: He is pretty funny Funny? Dane Cook is funny. Stephen Colbert is funny. People getting hit in the groin is funny. But Makalov is like the bad car crash you can't help but watch, the unfortunate victim of genetics and fate, you feel so sorry, and yet can't help but to wonder if he brought it upon himself. Oh yeah, Nephenee will have 25 total skill points, Makalov only has 20.
	~~Wind Sword Quote: Please keep Christian bashing to a minimum. This is mainly the American South (and mainly Evangelical death cults), which is similar to Afghanistan under the Taliban. Touching. Scientology Quote: Clones are create and people can't bore a clone. Scientifically they are called born and not created. The only way to pre-determine their genes is if they are already out in the world usually in a pod that would resemble the sac in a mothers womb. Take Star Wars for example. Smartest post ever made.


odelay	Sep 10 2006, 04:35 PM Post #5
que? Posts: 236 Group: FEFFer Member #871 Joined: August 8, 2006	sry for taking a day or two Quote: I believe the sports term is "bye". whatever, don't matter Quote: I'm pretty sure it's an attractive country girl versus a very metrosexual man, if not homosexual. the game doesn't give us enough information to determine whether Makalov is a homosexual or not Quote: Hardly any. Nephenee's STR is good enough that she'll deal a good amount of damage, and 4-6 is rarely going to make much of a difference. are you listening to me? 2-3 more STR + powerful axes= much more powerful and no, in the later levels Nephenee cannot kill a number of enemies in two hits. i'll explain later Quote: And that doesn't change the fact that he starts with the weakest weapons with a poor starting STR. he has very steady STR growth, unlike Nephenee i don't what your yalking about poor starting STR, nephenee's is worse. ya know? Quote: By the time she's C she will have strength enough to wield most weapons efficently. most weapons, not all of them, she can get RNG raped, and until then, shes hard to train Quote: So let me get this straight, 2-3 STR makes all the difference, but 5 Skill ain't much? STR is much more important in this game. its the truth. and makalov has plenty of skill, just nephenee is a few points ahead. Quote: So the highest Skill won't have all that much crit? not much more than Makalov, thats for sure Quote: On the other hand, It is almost impossible for Nephenee to ahve raped Speed. Not so for Makalov. he has steady SPD growth, it averages at 25.7. as a stat can be raped, it can be blessed. and in this case, he caps higher, so if hes blessed 1 point, he caps higher SPD than Nephenee. Quote: I found there were far more magic-users personally. my point is they can both dodge magic well. However, Makalov has a significcant advantage in HP, so he can take hits better. They have around the same RES. Quote: Nephenee is more unique. Her counterpart joins several chapters later, sucks something awful, and she's the only one with Wrath. Makalov has five other counterparts, and his rather pointless skill is shared by Boyd. Nephenee also comes earlier than Makalov, giving her more time to train, and her starting stats are actually good. yea, Devdan sucks, and Makalov is the 2nd best paladin, if not first. I can't fight tempest with wrath, but you can give Makalov znother skill if you want. He's open for another skill. Now, this is a problem, you keep on saying that Nephenee has better starting stats than Makalov. I'm looking at them right now, and Makalov beats her in almost everything. I dont know what the hell your lookin' at, but Makalov's is higher. Quote: Speaking of crippling weakness, training Makalov means constant vigilance to the various weapons intended for his demise, and lances will overpower him far more. Nephenee's weakness to axes is slowly corrected as she progresses, Horsemen weapons are eternal. in case you didn't know, Makalov gets another weapon when he class changes :ninja: Nephenee is stuck with only lances, meaning her weakness to axes is tied to her forever. Slowly corrected? shes weak to them for the entire game. Quote: My wrong is dead?! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Quote: Yawn. All Paladins do that. But not the weapon triangle so much anymore. Hes a Paladin! In FE9, Paladins have great bonuses. Far movement, a choice of weapons, CON, rescuing, moving after acting, those are all nice bonuses Makalov gets for being himself. Paladins rock in this game, you cant deny that. Quote: Gahhhh! Paradox! He's a Tank, but the Tanks are better than him, but he's a Tank, so he's better than himself! in case you didnt understand, hes the best tank out there besides the low movement Generals. And because of Makalov's high SPD, he can be the best tank in this game. think im joking? im not. Quote: It's people like you who cause wormholes in the time-space continuam! my answer to that is.... so? Quote: Au contraire, killing Makalov would be a public service. It would save Marcia the trouble. Marcia is a really dandy unit to have around, shes good to use. even if she hasnt gained one exp since you got her, you can easily recruit Makalov. Unless your a fool and get her killed. Quote: Nephenee comes earlier with solid stats, that has been established. wrong again. attention WS: Makalov has better starting stats than Nephenee. So why are you saying that she has better starting stats? Thats an interesting strategy you got there Quote: Exagerration of the century. what exagerration? was i exagerrating? i beleive i was not. Quote: Are you new here? it IS my first debate Quote: But Makalov is like the bad car crash you can't help but watch, the unfortunate victim of genetics and fate, you feel so sorry, and yet can't help but to wonder if he brought it upon himself. he still makes an excellent paladin Quote: Oh yeah, Nephenee will have 25 total skill points, Makalov only has 20. Oh yeah, Makalov will have more HP, STR, DEF, and LCK, and SPD is practically tied between the two
	Existence is futlie!


Conan O'Brien	Sep 12 2006, 05:14 PM Post #6
SKILLNADEN ÄR DRINKABILITY Posts: 2,781 Group: Veteran Member #16 Joined: June 8, 2005	Quote: the game doesn't give us enough information to determine whether Makalov is a homosexual or not His picture and demented smile are more than enough. Quote: are you listening to me? 2-3 more STR + powerful axes= much more powerful and no, in the later levels Nephenee cannot kill a number of enemies in two hits. i'll explain later Are YOU listening? Makalov will be unable to reach a sufficient level in axes to deal all that more damage than he could with A in swords. You'll explain later? Sounds like a convenient excuse to post some half-arsed statement without me being able to respond to it. Quote: he has very steady STR growth, unlike Nephenee i don't what your yalking about poor starting STR, nephenee's is worse. 40% is pretty good. She grows every two to three levels. I'm yalking about how he starts off only able to use swords. Nephenee starts three chapters earlier, three levels lower, three strength less, with a 2 more powerful weapon choice. By the time she is at Makalov's chapter, she will have surpassed him in level, and likely will have gained at least one STR. She will consistently deal more damage. Quote: most weapons, not all of them, she can get RNG raped, and until then, shes hard to train RNG rape is more or less a pointless argument between two units who start off only three levels apart. They both have pretty much the same chance of getting raped. Not to mention with Fixed growth mode, such things are a thing of the past. Quote: STR is much more important in this game. its the truth. and makalov has plenty of skill, just nephenee is a few points ahead. Why is STR more important in this game, again? You could post your opinion, or those tedious little things called facts. His skill is good? Of the beorc, only Taureneo, Devdan, and Mist will have worse Skill. Taury and Devdan are only worse by 1.0 and 0.6. This would show that Makalov has awful Skill. To be fair, without their promotion bonuses some of the Laguz are worse, but with it doesn't change. Quote: not much more than Makalov, thats for sure Because as we all know, Skill only determines critical percentages. Quote: he has steady SPD growth, it averages at 25.7. as a stat can be raped, it can be blessed. and in this case, he caps higher, so if hes blessed 1 point, he caps higher SPD than Nephenee. Not a problem with fixed stats. And even if by some chance he does get more, he maxes only one higher anyways. Again, you don't seem to deny she'll have better speed for the entire game. Quote: my point is they can both dodge magic well. However, Makalov has a significcant advantage in HP, so he can take hits better. They have around the same RES. Makalov's greater HP won't make much of a difference either way, with Nephenee's better resistance it makes even less of one. Since he has about three times more HP than her Resistance, past three attacks Nephenee will bare better. Not to mention magic-users won’t really go Nephenee unless given no choice, but Makalov’s starting resistance might draw them to him. Quote: yea, Devdan sucks, and Makalov is the 2nd best paladin, if not first. I can't fight tempest with wrath, but you can give Makalov znother skill if you want. He's open for another skill. Now, this is a problem, you keep on saying that Nephenee has better starting stats than Makalov. I'm looking at them right now, and Makalov beats her in almost everything. I dont know what the hell your lookin' at, but Makalov's is higher. Facts are fickle things. Makalov is fourth, last with Half HP stats. You can give him another skill yes, but you can also give Nephenee one too. In fact, with 5 more skill points, she can get whatever he gets while keeping Wrath. The starting stat comment was retarded. Nephenee starts three chapters earlier, three levels less with only six less stats. Seeing as you usually gain more than one level a chapter, and she has three stats with 55% and one with 40%, she will easily surpass Makalov by the time you get him. Quote: in case you didn't know, Makalov gets another weapon when he class changes Nephenee is stuck with only lances, meaning her weakness to axes is tied to her forever. Slowly corrected? shes weak to them for the entire game. You missunderstand. As Nephenee gets more and more Speed, Luck and Skill, her unparalleled dodge will trump what triangle bonus the highly inaccurate axes have. Quote: Hes a Paladin! In FE9, Paladins have great bonuses. Far movement, a choice of weapons, CON, rescuing, moving after acting, those are all nice bonuses Makalov gets for being himself. Paladins rock in this game, you cant deny that. Again, yawn. That's all fine, but how does that make him better than Oscar, Keiran, or Geoffrey? You're missing the big picture, which is that Makalov has good stats and all, but they're inferior to his fellow Palidans, and he's not worth the trouble. Quote: And by weakness weapons, I meant weapons that affect horses, something he will never overcome. Quote: in case you didnt understand, hes the best tank out there besides the low movement Generals. And because of Makalov's high SPD, he can be the best tank in this game. think im joking? im not. Gatrie, Taureneo, and Brom are all tanks from Day One. Makalov earns it. As such, he'll be worthless upon first joining. Quote: my answer to that is.... so? Fool! Do not meddle in space-time! What if Abe Lincoln got pulled into the future, but it would be a future where Abe Lincoln wasn't pulled into the future, so he wouldn't, but then he would. Physics wouldn't be able to make up it's mind and decide it would be best to erase the universe. Quote: Marcia is a really dandy unit to have around, shes good to use. even if she hasnt gained one exp since you got her, you can easily recruit Makalov. Unless your a fool and get her killed. Not what I meant. I was alluding to Marcia's constant frustration with her useless brother. In any case, in Hard Mode there's fog-of-war, making recruiting him, and keeping alive an untrained Marcia very difficult. Anyways, I think Marcia is a pretty good unit. Easier to keep alive than Florina or Fiora, that's for sure. Quote: wrong again. attention WS: Makalov has better starting stats than Nephenee. So why are you saying that she has better starting stats? Thats an interesting strategy you got there 1. I never said she had better. I said she had good starting stats. 2. Level for level, hers are better. According to Twilkitri's chart, at level 10 she'll have about 2 or 3 more stats than Makalov. Quote: what exagerration? was i exagerrating? i beleive i was not. Nephenee has 5% more growth and will have higher stats at level ten. Makalov will only gain one more stat at promotion. Makalov will only statistically surpass Nephenee when she maxes her Speed, around 15 promoted. As such the statement that Makalov will quickly get better is a vast overstatement. Quote: he still makes an excellent paladin He makes a subpar Paladin. Quote: Oh yeah, Makalov will have more HP, STR, DEF, and LCK, and SPD is practically tied between the two Skill Points refer to Skills like Wrath and Tempest, not actual Skill. Some site I found on Google. How come Makalov doesn't have a fansite? EDIT: Great, quote tags don't work.
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odelay	Sep 14 2006, 07:59 PM Post #7
que? Posts: 236 Group: FEFFer Member #871 Joined: August 8, 2006	Quote: His picture and demented smile are more than enough. well at least he doesn't hide away in a helmet Quote: Are YOU listening? let me point out something, he has a STR advantage of 2-3 points, meaning 4-6 since he will double attack practically all the time. Axes have 1/2/3 points more STR than lances. so that could be 3-6 more STR than Nephenee. when doulbe attacking, thats 6-12 more power than Nephenee. A nice gap! Quote: You'll explain later? Sounds like a convenient excuse to post some half-arsed statement without me being able to respond to it. I have an announcement to make, my post wasnt "half-arsed",[size=1]i just merely forgot to "explain later"><[/size] Nephenee cannot kill a number of units late game. Such units are Warriors, Laguz, some Halidberders, all Generals and Knights, Hardly any Paladins, and no bosses. All of those classes become more often encountered, especially laguz. Makalov can kill all of these, with the exception of some tiger laguz, Generals (although he can do it with a good axe), and bosses. Hes MUCH better to use then. Quote: 40% is pretty good 40% is asking to be raped Quote: I'm yalking about how he starts off only able to use swords. Nephenee starts three chapters earlier, three levels lower, three strength less, with a 2 more powerful weapon choice. By the time she is at Makalov's chapter, she will have surpassed him in level, and likely will have gained at least one STR. She will consistently deal more damage. Now you specify that! For the whole time you never mentioned that until now! Anyhoo, Nephenee needs to get some blessing in order to beat him in anyhting except SKL or SPD by the time shes level 10. No freakin way will she ever be able to do more damage. She has frickin' level E in lances and much worse STR growth. Not to mention an extra weapon for Makalov when promoted Quote: They both have pretty much the same chance of getting raped. Her STR will normally grow less than half the time. His grows more than half the time. he has a whopping 15% more growth in STR. Same chance? not by a long shot. Quote: Why is STR more important in this game, again? You could post your opinion, or those tedious little things called facts. His skill is good? Makalov has awful Skill. To be fair, without their promotion bonuses some of the Laguz are worse, but with it doesn't change. STR>SKL in this game, you'll get farther with STR than you will SKL. His SKL normally goes up to 22. Thats not bad by any means. Nephenee is female, and females do tend to have higher SKL. WHy should i deny that? STR is more important anyways. Quote: Again, you don't seem to deny she'll have better speed for the entire game. Makalov will trail by a little for a bit, then he will catch up. And if he does cap higher, it is only by 1. So that means he will have higher SPD, thus the SPD advantage in the end. Quote: Makalov's greater HP won't make much of a difference either way, with Nephenee's better resistance it makes even less of one. Since he has about three times more HP than her Resistance, past three attacks Nephenee will bare better. Not to mention magic-users won’t really go Nephenee unless given no choice, but Makalov’s starting resistance might draw them to him. 7-8 HP>2 RES. Normally, since both units have good avoid, neither will get hit more than 3 times. And Nephenee by no means has impressive RES to start with either. They stay pretty darn close in RES for the game. Quote: Facts are fickle things. Makalov is fourth, last with Half HP stats. You can give him another skill yes, but you can also give Nephenee one too. In fact, with 5 more skill points, she can get whatever he gets while keeping Wrath. Makalov has better stat placement while retaning the other stats as well. He is leader in a few stats, thats no small feat. Nephenee can;t have her master skill without giving up Wrath. Makalov can have Sol, which makes him pretty much invincible, since what small damage he takes will be healed up, making him like Ike. Thats right, i compared Makalov to Ike. Quote: You missunderstand. As Nephenee gets more and more Speed, Luck and Skill, her unparalleled dodge will trump what triangle bonus the highly inaccurate axes have. unparalled? geez, now thats an exageration. Doesn;t affect the fact that she will take more damage and inflict less whenever encountered by an axe, and Warriors only get more plentiful. Quote: Again, yawn. That's all fine, but how does that make him better than Oscar, Keiran, or Geoffrey? You're missing the big picture, which is that Makalov has good stats and all, but they're inferior to his fellow Palidans, and he's not worth the trouble. ahem this is a debate of Makalov vs. Nephenee, not the war of the paladins. Makalov has stats placement! very important! he has more stats in the important regions, ssuch as Hp, STR, and DEF, while having good stats elsewhere at the same time! Hes also one of the most well-rounded units out there. His stats focus on crushing the enemy as well as good hit% and dodge%. he crushes enemies in his sleep. Hes more than worth what little effort you have to put into him. Quote: And by weakness weapons, I meant weapons that affect horses, something he will never overcome. Boo-Hoo. Have you noticed his really high HP and DEF, not to mention avoid? He laughs at the enemies with the anti horse weapons as they miss, and then he crushes them between his fingers. Quote: Fool! Do not meddle in space-time! What if Abe Lincoln got pulled into the future, but it would be a future where Abe Lincoln wasn't pulled into the future, so he wouldn't, but then he would. Physics wouldn't be able to make up it's mind and decide it would be best to erase the universe. OH WELL! :lol: Quote: Not what I meant. I was alluding to Marcia's constant frustration with her useless brother. In any case, in Hard Mode there's fog-of-war, making recruiting him, and keeping alive an untrained Marcia very difficult. Anyways, I think Marcia is a pretty good unit. Easier to keep alive than Florina or Fiora, that's for sure. Useless brother is funny, as he trumps her. Well, Marcia is a good unit, and useful in hard mode, and with her, shouldn't be hard to keep Makalov alvie thanks to her slow growing STR. You should know where Makalov is by that point anyway. Yep, Marcia is as useful as hell (as in recruiting Makalov that is). Quote: Nephenee has 5% more growth and will have higher stats at level ten. Makalov will only gain one more stat at promotion. Makalov will only statistically surpass Nephenee when she maxes her Speed, around 15 promoted. As such the statement that Makalov will quickly get better is a vast overstatement. now now, theres absolutely no guarentee that she will have higher stats than Makalov at level ten, you will need some blessings there, not all too common. At that point the only thing she might have is SPD and SKL. Whoop-dee-do. SO, you say that Makalov WILL statistically surpass Nephenee (at level 15 promoted). However, Makalov has more STR, HP, and DEF, making him more useful until then. Then after that, he crushes her. Quote: He makes a subpar Paladin. He makes the best Tank in the game, not to mention he IS the most powerful paladin. Quote: Some site I found on Google. How come Makalov doesn't have a fansite? Because 1. Hes vastly underrated 2. People havent discovered how great he is as a unit In closing, Makalov destroys Nephenee. He catches up in SPD, meaning Nephenee only has SKL over him. He statistically owns Nephenee. He has more movement, which is important. He can move after acting, a very nice strategic advantage. He has more weapon versitality, and can gain WTA easily. She falls behind in power, while he rises. And hes not gay! (or we can't tell) shakes hands
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*Sentenal*	Sep 14 2006, 08:12 PM Post #8
When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. Posts: 15,616 Group: FEFF Emperor Member #1 Joined: May 16, 2005	Debate over. Judges, PM votes to Luke.



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