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| Mitsukushu vs Kamaitachi | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 10 2006, 10:59 PM (257 Views) | |
| Sentenal | Sep 10 2006, 10:59 PM Post #1 |
When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
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K, you guys know the rules. 3 posts each. Mitsukushu goes first. |
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| 180degrees | Sep 12 2006, 08:57 PM Post #2 |
youngbaesol<3
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Simple and easy. Stefan comes earlier at a stronger level and that's basically it. Go ahead and back up Jannaf. |
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| Kamaitachi | Sep 12 2006, 11:54 PM Post #3 |
Classy
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Only if you'd care to spell his name right. I'm not referring to your character as "Stephen" so c'mon. Janaff. It's easy. In any case. Stefan seems to be quite a solid unit, and generally more useful than Mia, Zihawk and Lucia. Above all else, he comes with a handy dandy Vague Katti, right? Statistically he's a good unit, and he's got funky hair. But Janaff's a laguz. A bird laguz. Stefan is one of the branded, as indicated in his supports with Soren. He's half laguz. That's like...Diet Laguz. I can't believe it's not Laguz. He's the soy-gluten of Laguz. Seriously. Why have half a pie when you can have the whole goddamn pie? That's kinda ridiculous. Gimme my whole pies please. Not to mention, if they both jumped off a cliff, Janaff would survive. Why? Because he can fly. Stefan would end up as a bloody pulp on the ground. So in flying ability, A+ for Janaff, F------- for Stefan. Also, no cliff jumping for Stefan. So where do you generally find Janaff? Alongside the Hawk King Tibarn on their many adventures. Huzzah for Janaff! Where is Stefan? Wandering around some desert. Both characters, in essence, are optional. However, it's a million times easier to miss Stefan, and you most likely will if you're not a jerk and using playthrough guides. (In the same way I lost Jill to Shiharam when I played the first time through, I discovered Stefan purely by accident because I sent Lethe up there item hunting.) I only learned much later that you could altogether miss Stefan. So now that you finished wasting my time, I'm glad I could waste some of yours. I look forward to some actual debate from you in the next round, m'dear. |
   
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| 180degrees | Sep 13 2006, 09:13 PM Post #4 |
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youngbaesol<3
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Oh how can you say that? I was just trying to imitate your last action in the previous debate. Now you know how it feels right, m'dear?
 All in all, Stefan wouldn't be stupid enough to jump off a cliff. Mind you, I don't think Janaff would either so I don't know why you stated that. And Sefan's green straight hair beats the average blonde/dirty-blonde. I mean come on. Who wants to stare at a half-bird when he's in his human form? Not me, for sure. I'd never want to see a half-breed human. |
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| Kamaitachi | Sep 14 2006, 02:34 AM Post #5 |
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Classy
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 I'm a mean, mean person, love. Bitter and jaded husk of what once a human being capable of love.
I stated it because its truth. And because of it Janaff is better than Stefan
I'm sorry, I don't speak pointless. Everything I say is always completely of use and full of knowledge. SO full of knowledge, you might say, that it's bursting at the seams! Oh burst my beautiful knowledge, burst like a hurricane in a tea kettle!
Stefan's funny looking. Janaff may not be as hot as the ladies in this game, but he's a damn fine looking gentlebirdman...uh...birdgentleman...manbirdgentle...mantlegirdban...
Two points: A.) Eek! Sefan!? Who's that!? 2.) The mere fact that you're using the term "Half-breed human" means you weren't really paying attention to part of the moral of the game itself. It spoke of racism and the tendencies to hate things that are unknown, something that even now is still around to a certain extent. Did you learn nothing from the trials and tribulation of Ike and his comrades other than "SWORDMASTERS RULEXX0RZ" or did the social commentary evade you? Since you've been so loathe to bring up stats...I suppose I might as well. Luke will get all grumpy at me if I "make a mockery of these debates". So. Stats. Stefan: HP: 46.4 Str: 23.7 Mag: 10.4 Skl: 29 Spd: 29.8 Def: 16.2 Res: 12.6 Luk: 8 Janaff: (untransformed) HP: 54.6 Str: 19.6 Mag: 6.2 Skl: 23.4 Spd: 24.8 Def: 14.6 Res: 13.0 Lck: 20.8 Both units, I believe, are not meant to take hits, but to dodge and counter. Who does this more successfully? Well in this state, Stefan, as Janaff lacks the "counter" part of the sandwich. Also, while Janaff is untransformed, Stefan is superior in all fields save HP, RES and Lck, which are seemingly the most useless of the lot, right? But now...let's take a look at Janaff's miraculous transformation into a winged hurricane of a unit: (I'm still not sure where to find Laguz stats...so I did my own calculations...and no one told me if I was right or wrong about them.) Transformed Janaff goes from: Str: 26 --> 32 for a +6 to strength Skl: 35 --> 40 for a +5 to skill Spd: 36 --> 39 for a +3 to speed Def: 26 --> 35 for a +9 to defense Res: 26 --> 30 for a+4 to resist. Applying those net changes to his averages, Str: 19.6 +6 = 25.6 Skl: 23.4 +5 = 28.4 Spd: 24.8 +3 = 27.8 Def: 14.6 +9 = 23.6 Res: 13.0 +4 = 17.0 Uh-oh. What's this? Janaff now wins in HP, Str, loses by .6 in skl, by 1.2 in speed, massacres by 7.4 poi nts in def, and in Res? So suddenly, Stefan's victory is blown out of the water completely, because now he only has marginal victories in skill and speed, which stands to sense, as he's a swordmaster, those are supposed to be his forte. But suddenly, Janaff can do everything he can and better! Not to mention he's got a beautiful movement advantage over Stefan now too. Unless Stefan beats celerity out of Tormod and somehow consumes it... then he's stuck with his basic move statistic. I need to stop writing these on 0 sleep. I longingly await your rebuttal, Mitsu! |
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| 180degrees | Sep 14 2006, 05:00 PM Post #6 |
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Okay. Flying birdmen can turn you on, but certainly not me. Laguz? Oh, you know me, I'm just a mean dude and don't live in fantasy-like worlds like Fire Emblem so they can't harm me and I don't harm them. Considering the fact that the skill gauge is too low to be of any use, and the fact that Janaff is amazingly unuseful and near pointless to train by the time you get him. Hawks are one of the most un-useful laguz there are. They suffer from the ballistaes in the later chapters, the archers and even the plentiful laguz slayers. Meanwhile Stefan is prone to all of those. I await your post. |
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| Kamaitachi | Sep 14 2006, 08:03 PM Post #7 |
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Agreed.
I think you missed the idea of a social commentary. There are no actual half-animal people running around (save furries...but they don't REALLY count) and thus the idea of a laguz is paralleled to other sets of people that have been prejudiced against. Let's make the connections, okay?
Skill gauge? Are you talking about the beast meter? Because if that's the case, then there are ways around it. Laguz Stone? Demi-Band? Wha? Also, Janaff's an early transformer, meaning near at the onset of a battle, he'll transform.
Ballistae, archers and laguz slayers. A full guard helps those, not to mention Janaff's high evasion rate as well. I suppose it would also be fair to say that it's easier to keep Janaff out of range of those, especially since he has no other weapon triangles to be wary of?
Yes. Stefan is prone to ballistae and archers too. Everyone in the world is basically prone to being shot with an arrow if they ain't careful.
DARLING AWAIT NO LONGER! So...after rebutting your near useless points...I realize that you've given me next to nothing to work with! You didn't even bother to try telling me that Stefan is the better character. That's most likely because he's clearly inferior to Janaff in every way. So let's just add to Janaff's coolness. Janaff is a bird. A big freakin' bird. I'd be more scared if a big bird were coming towards me with talons outsretched and a razor sharp beak at a terrifying speed, than some guy with a sword. In all honesty, I'd be scared of both, but a guy running at with me with a sword is more commonplace than a big-ass bird. So...let's hypothesize. Big fuck-off bird comes flying at me, I'm likely to scream, flail, attempt to run, and probably end up birdfood. A guy with green hair and a sword comes running at me? I'd probably laugh before getting chopped into little pieces. (I'm being totally honest too. Stefan would kill me in a fight, hands down. But I'd be laughing in his ridiculous little face before he did. How humiliating is that for poor Stefan?) So in summation of this debate: Janaff wins. Why? Did you read this debate? If not, you probably should. Then you'd understand why Janaff is clearly better than Stefan. And I'll be damned if I need to re-capitulate everything that I've already very clearly stated for you losers. |
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| Sentenal | Sep 14 2006, 08:12 PM Post #8 |
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When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat.
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Debate closed. Judges, send votes to Luke. |
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