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| Topic Started: Oct 11 2006, 06:30 PM (116 Views) | |
| Simon | Oct 11 2006, 06:30 PM Post #1 |
The strongest among you may not wear a crown
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Firstly, I'd ask that my examples used aren't debated unless you feel they don't pertain to the point I'm trying to prove; I recognize that 20/20 is a considered achievable feat in HM without Towering at all here, and some of the examples seem pointless in light of that (Berserker v Hero for Ross, for instance, since I'd be willing to gamble that most of you prefer Berserker to Hero). I'm not interested in arguing the semantics of my examples, but rather the points they try to illustrate. (If you want, I'll debate the examples posed at the general board, but not here, thanks.) Now, to business. I think some things need to be discussed before we begin. There's a couple of things that I want to address here, and if there's any conflict regarding standards on some of these and a debate ensues, we'll clog up the tournament discussion really quickly, so I made a separate topic. Now, to business. There's two things I'd like to discuss: usage of the Tower, Ruins, or Skirmish in the campaign and value of Creature Campaign. First, Creature Campaign. In my opinion, this needs to be left out; Creature Campaign's infinite money and purchaseable statups basically make it a battle of caps, something that detracts from the "Defend Your Character" title to these debates. For example, I'd defending Moulder in this tournament. Assuming that WJC and I debate against each other, my character pretty clearly crushes his in Creature Campaign; Bishop Moulder's Slayer is one of the best skills and consequently makes him on of the best characters for Creature Campaign, whereas Franz has average caps as a Great Knight, outright bad caps as a Paladin, and no special skill in either class to make up for these. WJC's at a clear disadvantage here. There's also the problem of the utter suckage of Creature Campaign enemies making it so easy it's not worth discussing. (Some would say that the entire game is so easy it's not worth discussing, but Creatue Campaign stands out IMO.) The second issue is usage of the Tower and Ruins. In my opinion, this really also needs to be left out; one, all it does is make the earlygame a competition of challenge, as theoretically any unit can be 20/20 past Chapter 9. It really alters reasoning behind choosing units; for eaxmple, Ross might want to go Hero ingame for sake of getting Swords (and having basically tied stats for most of the game, only losing out near the end) if the Tower isn't used, but if it is, there literally is no point to going Hero, since 20/20 Berserker pretty well rapes 20/20 Hero regardless of Hero having a much better secondary promotion gain (Swords v Peakwalk/Seawalk/15 Crit, since the former two are so rarely needed and the latter one is unnecessray with Ross's insane Str). |
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| Kovu | Oct 11 2006, 06:45 PM Post #2 |
Judge/Veteran/One of oldest members/Never been a global mod cause staff is racist against furries
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I basically agree with the things that you're saying about Creatue Campaign and Towers/Ruins. This game doesn't have many restrictions, this being no different. Debate based on the characters within the chapters, without abuse of towers, ruins, or CC. Stat boosting items in general detract from a debate, and shouldn't be used basically at all. If this game had rankings it would make the debating situation here more clear. ~ Kovu |
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| Merk | Oct 11 2006, 06:50 PM Post #3 |
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Agreed. FE8 needed rankings.  I think it would be a good idea to consider CC/Towering-etc. invalid. |
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| +Ema Skye | Oct 11 2006, 06:51 PM Post #4 |
Snackoos = <3. It's science!
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Creature Campaign units are already banned, and that would imply that Creature Campaign is worthless. Tower/Ruin/Arena Abuse isn't "banned", exactly. Using abuse as an arguement will be frowned upon, and won't exactly score you any points. |
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| Simon | Oct 11 2006, 06:56 PM Post #5 |
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Well, yeah. The main reason I thought of Towering being a bad idea is because I'm 90+% sure that someone will choose Ewan and use "The Tower's there, so why not use it?" as an argument. And, really, there's no reason not to use it. I've likely been debating too many people that don't care about whether Tower Abuse is really valid or not, but I'd just like to make sure that's not banned. [size=-7]This could work out better than I thought...[/size] |
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| +Ema Skye | Oct 11 2006, 07:03 PM Post #6 |
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Yeah. I'd like people not to make topics in this board anymore, too. There's a discussion topic for stuff like this. 
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