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| Topic Started: Apr 6 2007, 09:32 AM (312 Views) | |
| +Ema Skye | Apr 6 2007, 09:32 AM Post #1 |
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| Kamaitachi | Apr 7 2007, 07:18 PM Post #2 |
Classy
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Ugh. Janaff vs Ulki. Listen buddy, I've been debating Janaff for awhile. EVERYONE thinks its great to use Ulki as a counter to Janaff. So I've come up with many, many reasons as to why Janaff is better. I'm going to do this very, very methodically, and I hope that your mind isn't so feeble that you can't follow along. We'll start with this: Ulki looks like his mom took a clothing iron to his face when he was a child. Then in his pre-teens, he totally thought it smart to take a nap under a tractor. And finally, he thought it was just a grand idea to let Paris Hilton do his make-up. It's not that he looks like a clown, per-se, but moreso that he looks like a prostitute who caters exclusively to clowns. I mean seriously. If I ever see a man who looks like Ulki down the street, I'd ask him to walk with me. Why? Because he's one of those people that makes other people look better by comparison. I mean honestly. I'd look like asian/hispanic Brad Pitt next to this monstrosity. I mean, Nick had the gall to say that Ulki was sexy in a hawklike way, and were he gay, he'd totally take Ulki in a manly fashion. I can now conclude from that, that Nick is not only gay, but retarded, and has a score of -5 million in his ability to discern Aesthetics from...well...not. I mean, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet, right? In this case, an Ulki by any other name would still look like the guy who stands next to a dirty, run down, black van that has "Free Candy" on the side waiting for poor hapless children to come along. I have prepared for you a diagram. Please observe:  For those of you who don't know how to read these types of diagrams, please find the number and follow the line. Then find the correlating number down here. 1.) Forehead I have not seen this much forehead in a long time. I mean, this is Vegeta-level forehead size. This is a motherfucking huge forehead. It's so huge, it fucks mothers, hence the adjective: Motherfucking. 2.) Slanty Eyes: Thank God Janaff is the King's eyes, or else Tibarn might have widescreen vision. Ulki probably has good peripheral vision, but I bet if I ducked, or if I was above him, he couldn't see me. That's the problem with small slanty eyes. I mean, hawks, by virtue of metaphor and biology, are supposed to have good eyesight. Like Janaff. Like Janaff. Ulki flies and has...good hearing? By virtue of Ulki's abilities, he would be better suited as a bat. Right. A slanty eyed bat. 3.) Windswept/Spiky Hair? Ulki's like one of those white guys who watches too much anime and in turn thinks things like hair over the eyes or ridiculously spiked upwards hair, or pectorals the size of d-cup boobs is directly proportional to power. Ulki looks like a retarded combination of Yunseong of Soul Calibur fame and Morticia Adams. He really needs a new hairstylist. 3.) Hair again Sorry, Ulki's hair angers me so much it deserves another bullet point. I mean, it's all swept up like that right? It's like he's trying to say "Hey look at me, I'm a flyer. I fly, my hair's all swept up because I spend so much time flying, aren't I cool? Oh man, yeah I'm cool." It's like those guys who purposely mess up their hair either to give the air that they drive around in a really cool convertible all the time, or that they have sex-hair by virtue of having sex so frequently, or that it's messed up because they're a rebel and they just don't care. All of these are untrue, as people who have those kinds of hair are usually just losers wishing they were cooler than they actually were. Ulki has that kind of hair. He wishes he were that cool. He wishes he was as cool as Janaff or Tibarn. Janaff has cuteness, Tibarn is like..400% muscle, so Ulki gets the hair. Good job Ulki. 3.) Hair still All right, I'm sorry. I'm still pissed off about Ulki's hair. I mean...really. It's the kind of hair that makes you check your hair to make sure it doesn't look ANYTHING like that. I mean...goodness gracious me. 4.) Big Nose: Big noses are reserved for Jews. Jews and muppets. My conclusion is that Ulki is a jewish muppet. 5.) Pointy Ears: I know Ulki's like, the King's Ears and all, but honestly, pointy ears are for elves. Ulki probably has a secret Orlando Bloom fetish, and has a shrine to Legolas somewhere in his treehouse. He's got pictures of Viggo Mortensen facing Liv Tyler, but Liv Tyler's face has been photoshoppically replace with Bloom. Now, my apologies, but the only people who like Orlando Bloom are pre-pubescent girls and 40 year old single fat men who still live in their parents' basement playing WoW all night as a "Hot Female Night Elf". Ulki somehow manages to be both of these. A conundrum, I know, but it's true all the same. 6.) Robes and Goatee: Remember how I referred to Ulki as a jewish muppet? Well I'm going to re-iterate the jew thing here. Look at his goatee, then look at his robes. Ulki clearly has a Jesus complex thing going on. He's not one of those radical christians who is like "I AM A WARRIOR OF JESUS!", but rather, he's like Jesus' slightly-less-popular younger brother whom Joseph kicked out of the house because he had pointy ears and wings. Ulki's goatee is also that which is reserved for douchebag skaters who're trying to make up for the fact that they've actually already lost both testicals by attempting to mimick the actual, cool skaters by hopping up onto a park bench or a guardrail, only to fall off and slam a hard metal pole hard into the groin-area. Yeah. Ulki's a poser too. 7.) Sunken Cheeks: Sunken cheeks is never a good sign on anyone. This usually means they're in a state of rapid weight loss. Ulki is most likely anorexic, has hepatitises A, B and C, Diabetes, AIDS, herpes and bad breath. Yeah. It's a wonder he's even up there in the fight at all. I think the others just have pity on him and tag him along because he'll be dead before the sequel comes out. Might as well give him a little airtime. Even if just a little. And that's all I got for today. Your move, tough guy. |
   
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| Light Yagami | Apr 9 2007, 11:18 PM Post #3 |
Time is money and money is power. So, of course my ultimate goal is to have power over time
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Wow, you claim that you've been defending Janaff various times but this is all you can come up with. Hiding behind Ulki's visual differences to avoid the fact that Ulki is the superior unit. Pah, this debate is about utility and facts. Sure throw in some meager critisizm here and there, but if that's all you're gonna give, I would doubt that you can face facts. First off, I'll just list off some stats. Ulki (bases and growths) HP-41(140%) Str-15(60%) Skl-14(65%) Spd-12(60%) Def-14(35%) Res-9(25%) Lck-10(35%) Janaff (bases and growths) HP-39(130%) Str-13(55%) Skl-15(70%) Spd-17(65%) Def-11(30%)  Res-10(25%) Lck-16(40%) Now right away, based on the Bases, we notice their differences in Speed and Defense. Ulki has 12 and Janaff has 17. A five point lead that doesn’t even give Janaff any more Evasion that Ulki has. Also, by looking at the growths, I’de say Janaff should have some of his Skill points put into Defense, since he already has enough Skill thanks to his Mediocre Skill, but since he doesn’t, I guess that means he has some over-kill Skill. Now lets go into battle! Ulki’s Speed is hardly an issue since his Skill (Vigilence) will grant him +20 Evasion!!! (which stays activated even in “human form”). Sure Janaff starts off transformed but Ulki has only 4 less avasion than Janaff in the beginning of the chapter and one less defense. This is nothing when you already know that Ulki will have the potential to tank once he transforms. So lets see, Janaff transformed in the beginning of the chapter= 58 evasion and 15 Defense but still has 39 HP. Ulki not transformed=54 evasion, 14 Defense and 41 HP. I don’t know….I mean this could only spell out trouble for little pretty-girl Janaff. I mean, once Ulki transforms he has 60 Evasion, 18 Defense and 41 HP. Despite their different appearances, Ulki is actually better. Like WOA. !I won’t go any farther than that since you’ve only given me crap to work with and you’ve only hidden behind a wall of visual differences. Don’t judge a book by its cover |
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| Kamaitachi | Apr 11 2007, 12:32 PM Post #4 |
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I'm gonna go ahead and tear your argument apart sentence by sentence.
I replied to this before you even said it:
So you've not only proven to me that you can't read, but that your mind is in fact, too feeble to follow my process.
I avoid nothing. Like I said, I would be quite methodical in this debate. I started with visuals. I'll move onto...well, I'll just show you what I'm moving on to later, and then I'll end with something too. Who said anything about hiding?
Really? I gave you facts AND utility.
That's a fact.
It's a good utility for Ulki. Possibly his only good one.
Oh please. Considering the post you JUST made, are you even worth a proper debate? I mean, here you are saying how I've given you crap. Wait, let me find it...here it is: and you can't even find the decency to play your own "Facts and Utilities" game to its fullest. Here I was, giving you a good chance to capitalize on the fact that I was giving you a free post to rip me apart with some "Facts" and "Utilities" and you couldn't even give me that. Instead you stuck to minor insults, and a very haphazard and lazy statistical analysis. Oh, and emoticons. You had those too. So listen up real close Mr. Before you go criticizing my strategy, I'll tell you two things: a.) I told you exactly what I was doing from the get go. I never just throw something out there. Everything's very meticulously planned. b.) Ulki's ugly as sin. c.) Okay there were three things: If you want to go ahead an take off that debate-training-bra you've got on there, then don't go pinning your shortcomings on the fact that I've given you nothing to work with. Next time I give you a free first post to set the tone of the debate, go ahead and use it to your advantage, not whine about how I've given you nothing to work with. So let's start with the stats you presented: They're wrong. You're working off of their untransformed states. But you're talking about battle situations. So why don't we add in those transformation bonuses? Str: +6 Skl: +5 Spd: +3 Def: +4 Resist: +4 So Ulki's Level 7 Hawk form: HP: 41 Str: 21 Skl: 19 Spd: 15 Def: 18 Res: 13 Luk: 10 And Janaff's Level 8 Hawk Form: HP: 39 Str: 19 Skl: 20 Spd: 20 Def: 15 Res: 14 Luk: 16 So your particular statement is wrong. We notice the deferences in speed and defense, yes. Janaff's 5 win in speed, and Ulki's 3 win in defense. Janaff's not supposed to have more Evasion than Ulki has, right? However, look at this:
So, Yeah, Janaff is losing by two points of Health, 3 points of defense. Janaff almost ties Ulki on Evasion, even with Ulki's vigiilance skill. Sure, Janaff's insight is a little overkill, but it does mean he never misses ever. Ulki will rarely miss, until those peskier quicker units come along. Oops. Oh, and look at this, A unit with 16 speed comes along. A raven let's say, or a swordmaster. Ulki doing more damage? In one hit, sure. Assuming the unit has a defense rating of 10, then Ulki will deal 18 damage. However, with those ravens and swordmasters having high speeds and therefore high evasions...Ulki could still miss. Janaff will guarantee you the first hit of 16 damage, and then guarantee you a second for another 16 damage. That's a possible 18 vs a guaranteed 36. Janaff's damage output is greater.Surely, this is hypothetical, but you get my drift. Now, I saw something here:
Right. The chapter where he joins has Ravens, Swordmasters, and Magicians with spells like Blizzard and Tornado. Ravens, at this point, will DA him. The Swordmaster, will DA him, and the Magicians will deal extra damage to him. There's no way in hell Ulki is TANKING. Oh yeah, Shinon's on this level. Before you even saw Shinon is crap, he's still a sniper with high critical ability and accuracy. With Janaff and Ulki's evasion being roughly the same, we have to rely on Janaff's critical evade that comes from his higher luck. That's if they even get in range in the first place, but you see what I'm getting at? Janaff is much better suited for their joining chapter, and he transforms early. Whoop! In the next chapter, there are more wind mages, ravens, Ballistae and swift swordsmen. I'm thinking Janaff's speed is more of a boon here than Ulki's defense and HP leads? I mean, really, the only reason to give Ulki Vigilance, is so that he could at least match Janaff in evasion, or else Ulki's defense and hp leads would be nothing but a joke. They're minor, and I've already proven Janaff's ability in a higher damage output. What's so special about Ulki?
When you make a claim like..."Ulki is actually better, Like WOA!". make sure you know your numbers. Janaff actually has 56 evasion, when Ulki has 60. That's not "better like WOA" that's "marginally better". Did you even pay attention to transformation bonuses? Ulki's defense will be 23, and Janaff's will be 20. That's still only 3 points. That's not "Like WOA" considering Janaff will have a better resistance. Oh and HP Lead? Once again, that's 2 points of hp. If that's "better like WOA" then what do you have to say to Janaff's five point speed win? Janaff fulfills the role of a quick flyer much better than Ulki does. Ulki is trying to play tank in a game that has way too many high defense units already. More on this another time I suppose. I'm going to go back to this:
Tank what? He's a bird! Gatrie is a tank, Tauroneo is a tank, Brom is a Tank. Ulki is more like...a jeep. Janaff is more like a motorcycle. C'mon, get your metaphors and comparisons straight. And that's all I care to give you today. Part II, now complete. |
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