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Topic Started: May 29 2007, 09:53 AM (10,058 Views)
Oath
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I like that Volke was lowered on the list. He's really overrated IMO. He's a good thief and a decent fighter but people are always like: Volke is h4x! >_>

I'm personally for Geoffrey > Stefan due to the durabilitly of Geoffrey in the final chapters.
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May 29 2007, 05:02 PM
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May 29 2007, 05:59 PM
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May 29 2007, 04:40 PM
I think Reikken is right except for three things

- Underrates Gatrie
- Overrates Makalov
- Underrates Volke

Please do elaborate, especially since I already explained why Volke is not good.

Gatrie is not capable of dying Hoand is really useful early on.

Makalov is underleveled and it takes him a while to catch up to everyone else.

I guess you explained Volke, but I still find him more essential and useful than the likes of Ilyana.

O noz, he's not capable of dying. So what? How does that help you? That's all he has, and he sucks at everything else. Therefore, he's mediocre. Useful early on in chs 4,5,7? Hmm... Perhaps he could go above Ranulf.


Makalov joins underleveled, but only his offense sucks. His defense and mobility and shiz are good, and then after he promotes, he's better than half the top tier ppls. He needs a bit of bexp, but the payoff is well worth it.


He's only essential for one chapter.





Kratos
May 29 2007, 05:27 PM
Reikken
May 29 2007, 03:58 PM
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May 29 2007, 04:17 PM
I'd say Zihark ¯\(º_o)/¯

When they join, Zihark has better offense and Brom better defense, so it's a close one there.

After some time, neither will be killed, Brom because high HP and DEF, Zihark because of h4x dodge and good HP and DEF. Also, they have defensive supports.

However, Zihark has better offense, because he doubles more and has nice SKL coupled with Crt bonus. Brom will only start to double after some time of using the Knight Ward.

Zihark also has moar Mov, ftw

He doubles alot of stuff right after promotion, and his atk is way higher.

His attack is not way higher. At 20/1 is when Brom starts winning. Lances are stronger than swords, but since Zihark was doubling more he had better offense.

It's just after he's fully supported when his STR lead is more significant, nut Zihark's offense is still pretty solid.

Zihark wins offense but loses defense from ~10/0 to 20/0, and then Brom wins both from 20/1 on.


At 20/1, Brom has 3 more str, lances have 1 more atk (using Iron Blade instead of Steel Sword), and his supports give him 2 more than Zihark's do, so he wins atk by 6. Wowz.
Then later, Silver Lance has 2 more atk than Silver Sword, and Brom's supports finish, so he's getting 3 more atk than Zihark is getting, so the atk lead increases to 8. !!
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I'm with Innes and Oath. Geoffrey is high tier material. Paladin=Win.

Gatrie should be high mid tier. Low movement, and doesn't double much.
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Geoffrey is niether with you long enough, not statistically strong enough for high tier. He's a decent unit once you get him, but 5 Chapters of being Mid-to-High Tier is not enough to make High Tier.


I can see Titania as High Tier (it was a close call, and that was a quickly done draft list), but not Top Tier. She's really not that great.


I also cannot see Jill as Top Tier. She comes too horribly underleveled, and statistically, she's like a slightly weaker Kieran.


I could maybe see Kieran bumped up to Top Tier, though.


I'd rank Gatrie a little higher than Brom, simply because he's really useful early on. Frankly, I vote ArmorKnight/Generals for worst class ever.


Volke has to be Top Tier. And Sothe Low Tier. I don't see how it can be any other way. You need Volke to steal you a bunch of Staves, a few Spears, and a ton of other stuff. He's not the best combat unit, but he's not supposed to be--but, unlike Sothe, he can survive combat and sometimes even kill. His usefulness is top tier.


I think Stefan is Top Tier, just considering he actually joins you overleveled, has the highest offense of all your units for quite a chunk of the game, and gives you an Occult.


Makalov is Mid Tier at best. He does have nice stats, but he's not really worth it. He joins 3 chapters after Kieran at 2 levels lower. He has the weakest Weapon Type for his main. He's just too replacable already replaced. Especially if you've been using your Bonus EXP to get Jill up to snuff.
plus he's a total prick


Maurim? I don't even see how he could possibly make High Tier. Maybe Mid Tier, but I don't even see him earning that.


Zihark > Brom. Brom beats him in offense? For the majority of the game, Brom will not be consistantly double attacking (maybe some right after Promo, but not that long)--Zihark will. Brom may get double attacked less than Gatrie, but he has pretty poor offense as well. Plus, Zihark has a Crit bonus and Adept.




Well, anyways, more suggestions.
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I hope Reikky-chan rapes the above post.

But I actually do agree that Gatrie > Brom slightly, that Makalov is not THAT good, Stefan is mad h4x, and that Volke is better than Reikky-chan rates him. :(
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May 29 2007, 11:09 PM
I can see Titania as High Tier (it was a close call, and that was a quickly done draft list), but not Top Tier. She's really not that great.


I also cannot see Jill as Top Tier. She comes too horribly underleveled, and statistically, she's like a slightly weaker Kieran.


I could maybe see Kieran bumped up to Top Tier, though.


I'd rank Gatrie a little higher than Brom, simply because he's really useful early on. Frankly, I vote ArmorKnight/Generals for worst class ever.


Volke has to be Top Tier. And Sothe Low Tier. I don't see how it can be any other way. You need Volke to steal you a bunch of Staves, a few Spears, and a ton of other stuff. He's not the best combat unit, but he's not supposed to be--but, unlike Sothe, he can survive combat and sometimes even kill. His usefulness is top tier.


I think Stefan is Top Tier, just considering he actually joins you overleveled, has the highest offense of all your units for quite a chunk of the game, and gives you an Occult.


Makalov is Mid Tier at best. He does have nice stats, but he's not really worth it. He joins 3 chapters after Kieran at 2 levels lower. He has the weakest Weapon Type for his main. He's just too replacable already replaced. Especially if you've been using your Bonus EXP to get Jill up to snuff.
plus he's a total prick


Maurim? I don't even see how he could possibly make High Tier. Maybe Mid Tier, but I don't even see him earning that.


Zihark > Brom. Brom beats him in offense? For the majority of the game, Brom will not be consistantly double attacking (maybe some right after Promo, but not that long)--Zihark will. Brom may get double attacked less than Gatrie, but he has pretty poor offense as well. Plus, Zihark has a Crit bonus and Adept.




Well, anyways, more suggestions.

Titania is your best unit by far for about half the game, and then after people promote, she's still better than everyone except maybe Kieran and Jill for a really long time, and then even by the very end, she's still h4x. I can't see how she can be anything but top tier and at the very top of it. Something like Kieran and Jill above her doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable, but I would strongly disagree. Being h4x for half the game >>> being slightly better lategame.


Underleveled, sure. Horribly underleveled, no. She just needs enough exp for like 2 points of speed, and then she's about as good as your other top tiers, except she can fly.


Brom rapes with the Knight Ward. That >>> 2-3 chapters of meatshielding and/or weakening.


Contrary to what you may believe, Sothe is perfectly useable.


Muarim joins better than Stefan, and he always rapes him in durability.
Stefan's durability quickly becomes lacking, and he lacks 1-2 range and mobility for massive h4x like the other h4x units.


Makalov is never a liability or anything because his durability is good right from the start, and as soon as he promotes, his offense is good as well. I don't see the problem. Too replaceable? There's no such thing as too many paladins, if that's what you're talking about.
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Oh.

Fixed Growth mode.

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Didn't think this list included that. Then Brom can beat Gatrie.
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Why is Ilyana better than Gatrie?o_O

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She has offense and Shade to help defense, and she gets staves after promo, and those things are h4x. Massive exp.
Gatrie just has defense.
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Ah, just wondering. But why is he so low? He can never die (unless you purpously make him die...or the player is a complete idiot..)

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Okay? So what? If he was able to make others never die, that would be win, but it's just him.
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Do you mean his not having staves...or you just don't like tanks?

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Geoffrey is niether with you long enough


Ok first off, this is not a viable argument against him. If he was unpromoted and underleveled it would obviously be so, however this is not the case. First off he is a Level 11 Pre-promoted Paladin. Plus to counter your argument, he gets Paragon which makes him grow even faster.

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not statistically strong enough for high tier.


That's a little hypocritical coming from someone who put Astrid in high-tier and Volke in Top.

Let's compare.

Geoffrey
HP - 48.8 Str - 22.5 Mag - 11.3 Skill - 22.0 Spd - 23.9 Def - 25.0 Res - 13.1 Luck - 13.8

Astrid
HP - 42.1 Str - 22.7 Mag- 11.6 Skill - 25.7 Speed - 25.8 Def -19.4 Res- 15.5 Luck - 18.2

Geoffrey wins in HP and Def and ties with Astrid in Str. Which shows that Astrid is speedier and Geoffrey is more tanklike. As far as supports go, Geoffrey's best choice is Calill which grants him the edge in Strength as well. So if they can be compared you can't say he isn't statistically strong enough when he is on the same level if not better than Astrid.

Now, vs. Stefan.

Stefan
HP - 46.4 Str - 23.7 Mag - 10.4 Skill - 29.0 Spd - 29.8 Def - 16.2 Res - 12.6 Luk - 8.0

Geoffrey
HP - 48.8 Str - 22.5 Mag - 11.3 Skill - 22.0 Spd - 23.9 Def - 25.0 Res - 13.1 Luck - 13.8


Stefan wins in Str (1), Skill, Speed

Geoffrey wins in HP, Mag (negligible), Def, Res, and Luck

Stefan needs luck if he wants to dodge since he cannot rely on his mediocre defense stat. He may be all offense, but when he is getting constantly attacked by enemies, he will start to lose quickly. Geoffrey on the other hand really has nothing to worry about. He will survive swarms of enemies and deal damage in return. He has a better balance of offense and defense where as Stefan is all offense.
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May 29 2007, 11:51 PM
Do you mean his not having staves...or you just don't like tanks?

I mean that his not being able to die isn't especially useful.
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Ok? but him being below Haar is odd.

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